4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

Not wanting to stray off topic, I’ll say that Underground is a good color match for the OR’s & Pro’s. For 48k, appreciate the big screen but would like to see them throw in some side mirror blinkers.

At risk of straying off topic…either I’m seeing an illusion or that’s a vintage ‘80’s Tercel 4x4 Wagon on the showroom floor behind it. Now that’s an epic find on a Saturday night.

 

"not many, small part batch". Does one qualify as "not many"? And if the ADD was operator error, then it's zero. If they had caught the grille shutter/harness problem two weeks earlier they all would have been held at the factory and we would have never known about it.

Test mules built with pre-production parts. When subcontractor(?) goes to full production their QC slips?

Colorados were/are delayed for software. Rangers are not available/trickling out. I remember when most new models came out Sep/Oct of the prior year. Seems to be an industry wide problem.

 

I agree to an extent and yes it could have been addressed at factory and never known but thats the point, it made it past that point, what does that indicate about QC right now. And yes there was a whole thread on CPS failures there were only a handful that left people stranded and was a batch of bad parts just like I'd imagine the possible ADD or active grill shutter sensor may be. However as someone who has actively followed the roll out of the tundra and seeing 2022's and early 2023's having engine rebuilds and a moderator here knowing first hand that issue and mentioning it and how he personally would not buy one unless with an extended warranty and the fact we are already seeing dropped pans and shavings with this gen cant help but wonder similar to the Tundra. At first it was only a few trucks here and there and as the miles go up seeing more failures. Time will tell and yes its an all new truck from the ground up and Toyota can't build every single piece and relies on suppliers who as you mentioned are not great right now and may just be a few bad new ones.

 

We saw plenty of rear differentials with shavings and casting bits left over and we are seeing a lot of timing cover gasket failures well before 100,000 miles. Also, as I stated, now wheels are falling off of them.

I think the overarching point here is the third gen rollout and it’s ensuing run were dotted with a lot of reliability failures and recalls. I really don’t care, but I find it amusing that third gen owners are now rushing to bash the fourth gen.

It’s almost as if all the butt hurt they absorbed over the last eight years has finally been able to be expressed on a new target. The medical term for it is “battered third generation owner syndrome”… And I personally blame second and first gen owners for it.

 

Ever since the covid crap deliveries of everything has been whacked, ask the guys that have been seeing the rangers stack up in yards.

 

I'm not bashing the 4th gen, did you not see I still am looking/shopping and had a deposit on an allocation. We did not see "plenty of rear differentials with shavings" and where are all these gasket failures, this is not a common widespread issue like you are making it out to be, this was a known issue with that engine with the Highlander and other platforms but for how many built the amount that failed before 100k is such a small fraction. Has anyone actually reported a lost wheel, not that I know of. I had a few early run 3rd gens and was here for the rollout, it was not the same at all, none where held at port for QC at this scale, and there were some trucks with issues from bad CPS sensors and a few with supposedly low transmission fluid and diff issues. I had my rear diff replaced in my 2016 for the hum noise and say what you want there are plenty of 3rd gens making it well past the 100k, 200k and 300k problem free. I agree though it is too early to say but from how the Tundra went the first two years and the QC hold already on 4th gen and seeing the diff issue and dropped transmission pan with shavings just makes one hesitate a bit and not compare to same similar path as the new tundra rollout but I agree and as you mentioned anything is sh*t now post COVID, houses, appliances, contractor work, automobiles.

 

I think it's like crime and everything else bad that is going on in the world. It used to be worse but we report it and talk about it more now so it seems worse. Way more people on the internet/forums now and the negative stuff gets more attention.

 

Early Gen3 owners may be the most sympathetic bystanders to Gen4’s current situation. Plenty of alarmists in 2016 (cheered on by Ford & GM owners) were predicting the demise of Toyota quality. When Consumer Reports infamously declared Tacoma should be avoided, the online negative tenor could hardly get more hyperbolic. And in typical fashion, Toyota quietly cleaned up the issues, sold a ton, resale values skyrocketed. So no surprise that in 2024 Consumer Reports has the ‘16-17 Tacoma on their “best used cars” list.

Gen4, which is now truly “all new”, is certainly starting to “feel” like it’s on a similar initial trajectory as Gen3, but I wouldn’t recycle the old 2016 rhetoric just yet. It may take some patience, but whatever it is, they’ll clean it up in time.

 

For the most part I agree, generally Toyota does as good or better of a job than other manus at identifying and cleaning up problems.
Coming from an FCA product, and a few domestics including GM, this is my experience anyway.

 

This, and just seeing like similar to the tundra rollout and has me a bit worried, but seems they have ironed out the major issues on those now, still seeing stupid stuff like cracked seats and window seal issues.

 

4th Gen forum looking a bit like the train wreck that was the first couple of years of the 3rd Gen forum

 

Its a bit more timid, 3rd gen section was so bad the mods were exercising the ban hammer on overtime. This has turned into a more randomness nonsense ranting, which I blame on the slow roll out. It'll clean itself up.

 

Yea, but by this time in 2016 more than 50,000 third gen Tacomas had been sold.

The agony was real.

 

Not getting too deep into the subject but, things will never be the same. Our complacency has brought us to this point.

 

I would think there were a lot more than 50k at this point in 2016 as they were on the dealer lots in Aug of 2015.

 

First Gen best gen

 

I looked at the numbers before posting. It was way more. A little over 90k owners from Sept 2015 to mid March 2016. That was a strong launch.

I wonder what the number will be after six months of 4th gen sales.

 

You won’t

 

Considerably lower would be my guess. The trucks are much higher priced and interest rates are far higher now. I'm thinking that front diff video might give a few people pause as well.
The group I'm in actually off-roads a lot, I'd be one to wait and see if it was a one time fluke, or a real issue they need to fix.

Then again, one of our group members, a 4Runner driver and one of the most fiscally responsible people I've ever met, test drove a new Taco so much that he's now seriously looking for one so he can trade up to a real truck.


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