4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

I don't give a shit either way. I say it's a 50/50 shot that 4Runner gets a redesign or discontinued. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

I don't see a market for a BOF midsize electric SUV. Toyota already showed the EV concept Tavoma. The new Tacoma is going to leave the 5th gen 4R dead in the water.

I think the new pilot already makes more power and cost less than a 5th gen 4R.

 

So...the SUVs toyota makes does not overlap, the Sequoia is full size, the others are unibody (different animal all together). Believe it or not the 4 runner is in the same category as the Wrangler, Bronco, Land Rover discovery...etc.

The plants in Mexico will not be building 4 runners so no need to worry about keeping up. The 4 runner is built at the plant that builds the Land Cruiser and Lexus etc.

If they want to build a vehicle to compete with the Maverick, more power to them, but why would you make up for market share when you can increase it by adding a category to your offerings.

Toyota is bringing the Land Cruiser back to the US, if they decided to do that after a year or so, why on earth would they now think its a good idea to just not build the 4 runner.....

But obviously you have a bone to pick with the 4 runner, or don't think it has a place in the US.... I guess you want all 4 runner fans to go out and buy a station wagon (highlander)....lol.

People that can't figure out the difference between the 4 runner and the highlander and think they are the same thing, I got nothing...can't help ya there.

 

You don't see a market for a BOF electric SUV...don't tell Rivian that or try to get in line to get one this year or the next.

 

What do they sell, like 1 R1s per 10millon people? Rivians don't sell like hot cakes. GM probably sold more Bolts last year than Rivian sold in the past two years.

I did see a Tesla CUV today pulling a utility trailer at the dump. They could have easily been driving a 5G gas 4Runner instead.

 

They were able to produce over 24K, and have orders for 100K more...so not too far off the 4 runners current annual sales numbers. With the number of orders, (albeit limited by production) I would say their demand is ok considering the price and every other obstacle they have to contend with.

I would say the demand is strong enough to warrant a mature auto company with 20 times the production power paying attention and observing that the market for a BOF electric SUV might have some legs if they put one out.

But we weren't talking about BOF electric vehicles, we were talking about the 6th gen 4 runner, probably a hybrid offering to go along with the same powertrain that is in the Tacoma.

Some have said that the 6th Gen 4 runner was actually scheduled to release prior to the Tacoma but ran into some snags over in Japan that the Tacoma did not have, so the release was pushed back a year and the Tacoma stayed on schedule.

I don't think anyone is sitting around at Toyota saying..".hey guys, lets scrap the 4 runner redesign and not send it to the US...I am sure no one would be interested in a redesign of one of our most iconic nameplates right up there with the Land Cruiser never mind the fact that we can't build enough of the 5th Gen to satisfy the market now and it is almost 20 years old. Since its getting old lets just squash our place in that market and send em a little pickup"...

 

Sorry, didn't see it...

 

No worries , probably a few pages back because of all the talking

 

I think a Toyota ran over bat's dog or stole his girlfriend or something. He is constantly spewing anti-Toyota drivel that doesn't make sense.

 

The new is bronco is literally direct competition to the 4Runner. The market for 4x4 SUV’s is arguably hotter than it’s been in a long time. Since 2014 4Runner sales have been steady and have increased dramatically. Between 2007 and 2013 Toyota hardly moved them. Now in a market saturated with boring crossovers plenty of people are interested in a BOF 4x4 SUV. The fact that they are moving over 100,000 units of a 10+ year old design is a testament to the platforms popularity. It would be a moronic business decision to cut the 4Runner from the market with its current sales numbers not to mention how much buyers are willing to pay for them these days.

 

Maybe Toyota will bring a manual transmission along with removable doors and top to the 4Runner to really let it compete! That would allow product differentiation and fill a current gap

 

Anti Toyota? I don't worship the brand or anything. Toyota NA is only a few steps away from selling rebadged Ford products, as far as Toyota's NA models go. Toyota Global, OTOH put out a better product.

I'm sure Toyota has the same internal conversation regarding the 4R, and what to do moving forward. They know they have a lot of utility vehicles in their line up, probably too many.

Questioning what a brand is doing with the models in their line is far from being negative to that brand.

I liked the RC Tacoma and Tundra along with the FJ Cruiser and LC200. All have been discontinued.

 

I don't think Toyota cares about Bronco sales. Ford does not sell that many Broncos, even though Bronco did outsell 4Runner in the last 1/4 of 22.

 

Due to low sales. The 4runner does not have this problem. No automaker is going to discontinue a model that sales out without any incentives in a growing market. That would actually be fiscally irresponsible.

 

I can't see the R1S outselling any SUV on the market.

I think Toyota would bring back the LC cruiser name before badging the next gen midsize SUV as a 4Runnner. Toyota can charge more for the same vehicle if they call it a Land Cruiser.

 

Ok

 

That’s not how businesses work that are in competition with each other. Ford sold 94,000 units in 22. That’s enough for Toyota to take notice and protect their potential market share

 

This is semantics, if Toyota comes out with a new midsize BOF SUV and calls it "Land Cruiser" it's clearly the new 4runner, as the LX600 is the actual Land Cruiser as it's sold across the globe.

 

What are you smoking? Toyota barely moved the 200 series here in the states. The 4Runner sells like crazy in comparison. Americans didn’t want to spend 80k on a Toyota SUV, that’s why the Lexus version did so much better and they kept it around. Because of that the average buyer is more likely to know the 4runner name vs know what a Land Cruiser is. That branding that they’ve built since the 80s matters.

 

Look at the sales last month for Highlander and Grand Cherokee, those vehicles out sold 4Runner by a lot.

Toyota can't get 4Runners built because of supply chain shortages and logistics issues?

That makes the decision to cancel the 4R that much easier, or move production to NA. Like I said before I don't think the current plants in Mexico can handle Tacoma plus 4Runner production. The Tacoma is a higher profit margin product over the 4R.

Toyota isn't going to sacrifice Tacoma production to build 4Runners.

 

LX 570 and LC200 sold simultaneously for years, probably a few decades. Semantics I think not. The likely hood of the LC Prado coming to the states is unlikely, but more likely than a 6th gen 4Runner.

New GX is already a go, same platform as a 4Runner, but it's still not a 4Runner.