4th Gen Tacoma (2024+)

No pro/th interest here, Just OR and SR5. Depends on base equipment and options. And cost of course. It's why I am pissed Toyota has told us nothing about the only 2 models I want to see. An SR would be good to see for cost reasons as well.

 

Not picking on you Dave by any means, but I take exception to the bolded. Final HP and Torque numbers may be similar, but the difference in almost 3k RPM on peak torque makes it much more IMO. I'd give up my V6 in a heartbeat for 1700 RPM peak. If for nothing else to beatdown 2nd genners.

Around town drivability should be far superior, and towing will be much better, my main 2 uses.

 

That does seem a worthwhile distinction to note. I'm definitely curious to read about people who might be willing to pay 10k+ for this lower RPM torque. Trust me that I know exactly of what you speak, there's one hill in particular on the most direct route home where if I roll into it in 2nd I usually bog down under 1k rpm and have to slow a bit more then shift to 1st to get going. When I'm thinking about it I can gun it at the midpoint of the turn and keep it closer to 1500 allowing me to get up the steepest part without downshifting. Meanwhile my '05 cruises right up just fine even with the 2TR.

I do hold out some hope of an eventual Toyota TSB tune to unlock some low RPM torque but I guess I'm dreaming on that one. I haven't yet tried an aftermarket tune, just drove tonered's truck once and it's nice but didn't seem worlds apart.

For me, whenever I feel remotely sad about torque, I take my '02 Tundra with 4.56 gears out for a spin and I'm happy again

I guess I'd rather spend that 10k on a 2nd rig for towing/torque _unless_ or until there's a lightweight and nimble EV pickup truck option on the market under about 35k USD that could be my daily. I'm definitely a little tempted by the limited with AWD and hybrid, just that I don't see myself spending the 50+ it may cost.

I think I'd rather have EV torque first, then v8, then I'd think about SC or turbos, all other factors equal. And I'm sitting on 4.88's in the box for my 2016 which I'll get to someday.

I get how some like to have a single do-it-all rig and the modern Tacoma is pretty good in many ways as a jack of all trades but man o man, towing and daily driving seem like opposite sides of the coin. It's so nice to have a beefy tow rig that rides like dogs**t without load and it's also so damn nice to have a lightweight daily that just cruises without effort when you're out for groceries or a bike ride.

 

I was very on board with the Lightning until it's tow figures came out. I expect a drop, but geesh. Ultimately the EV I want does not exist so I will get the next best thing IMO, hybrid or not.

I use my Taco for work and mostly it drives around within 20mi of my house, but I also tow a SxS 200 miles round trip and tow for work a bunch, so I am forced to make the best of what I can. A 1/2 ton may be in my future, but a fullsize rig has massive drawbacks as well. I traded in a full size to go to a Tacoma, so I have been down this road before.

Multiple vehicles suited to what each does best is also a solution that has multiple issues.

Ultimately I'm not looking to spend 10k on better torque, my truck has been paid off for years and I will just happen to be in the market in the next couple of years, so it's just window shopping for me at this point.

I like the footprint of a midsize truck and for the weight I tow, a current Taco does ok, I just want my next truck do a little bit better.

 

Other than physical parking space and insurance/maintenance, what are the downsides to multiple rigs?

 

Purchase cost is the big one. Usage is the other. It's hard to get enough usage out of 2 vehicles to justify the cost of owing/operating both of them. Speaking of my own situation anyways.

 

Fully agree on "getting adequate usage" but that's not really a major problem so much as lack of maximum usage efficiency. If maximizing usage efficiency we'd all be better off not owning any vehicles and having a collective pool of vehicles by region to rent as needed. Obviously convenience dictates that option sucks for most not in a super urban environment. So, the balance of usage vs convenience is the tradeoff.

Where I will choose to disagree is purchase cost. I'm in well below the cost of a new '23 Pro for my 3 vehicles. Granted it's murky as I bought the '02 new, then sold it, then bought it back. But even if I go original MSRP back in '02 on the Tundra, I'm still under our collective expectations of a '24 Pro.

Now, have I spent on truck mods on top of that? Yeah. But that's my own problem, not a purchase price problem.

 

I'm parallel with most of that myself

 

I just want the hybrid in the sr5. I don't need the MTS/crawl control and would rather go to aftermarket to upgrade the suspension instead of the trd off-road.

I also wanna learn how to work on/diagnose problems on those hybrids as well. I've never had one and since stuff is just going to keep getting more electrified just as well start learning.

 

I have a 04 GX, which is lifted on 33s and a 06 Tacoma on 35s. I mainly use the GX as a DD and go wheeling with the taco. But I have done that in a few years. So I drive both at about 60/40 in favor of the GX. I have contemplated selling one or the other. The taco was the first vehicle I bought brand new myself and love it. The GX is much more refined and comfortable to drive tho so I go back and forth.

 

You can replace the batteries if you want yourself. Similar Prius batteries can be had for under $1,500

 

I'm wondering if there will be a market for aftermarket battery upgrades. I know companies like Dakota lithium make lithium replacement batteries for alot of stuff. There lighter and just better performance. But idk if you can just swap a battery like that, probably not.

 

If it was a PHEV you could switch to higher Kwh batteries. BUt chemistry batteries you shouldn't. The BMS in the computer is designed for NiMh batteries not Lithium.

 

Battery replacement on the MAX looks easy peasy. Sucks to lose the cargo space, but your 12V and hybrid batteries couldn't be easier to get to

 

I simply cannot say before the pricing is revealed, but everything from the SR5 to the PRO and in-between, manual or hybrid, short bed or long bed is peaking my interest. iMT and adaptive cruise on the manual + finally getting smart key with it is looking quite nice, but that 8 speed might be a real treat too.

I'll have to test drive a few to make sure I won't regret getting rid of the subie for a 4th gen though

 

Wonder if the octane requirement will go to 89/93 with the turbo.... That could potentially null and void and increase is mpg

 

Turbos typically don't require high octane fuel. But specs should be out soon.

 

Lexus turbo hybrids require 91 octane but I believe the Tundra is 87. It's actually pretty common

 

TRD OFF ROAD. My Self

 

You want a PHEV? Looks like Ford might be first to the market:

https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/a44093178/ford-ranger-hybrid-future/