4th gen will come with manual

only 4g owners allowed here

 

Dollars to doughnuts the 5th gen definitely won’t have a manual option.
You heard it from me first.

 

nah plenty of MTs have ESS so it's not a given

 

right

 

Honda CRZ managed to put a manual in a hybrid car. Maybe toyota could make it work or maybe not

 

Wow, I'm surprised. Figured it wouldn't make it. I wonder if they'll surprise again and offer one in the new land cruiser prado or whatever they end up calling it.

 

il just do this one reply because fanboys will come to defend their trucks. there isnt anything physically wrong with the truck. its just the whole driving experience. the ride is terrible. somehow way to soft like a pogo stick but harsh at the same time. rear locker can only be engaged in 4low. engine is by far worst in class to drive. feels like it makes zero power until about 4500rpm. my nissan frontier feels like a rocket lugging low rpms comparatively. my 1st gen makes gobs of torque under 2000rpm but it is turbocharged to be fair. gets the same mileage as our 7.3 liter gas v8 superduty. how thats possible i dont know. worst speaker system ive heard since my original 1995 tacoma. i literally only bought this truck because of the manual. how you auto guys deal with that depressing 6 speed auto paired to that engine i dont know. if i was buying auto the new nissan is a far better truck. sure there are aftermarket options to make it better but it shouldn't be so bad out of the box. wel see if i go about trading this in when 4th gen released or wait till the model year after incase of 1st year issues

 

thats a fair assessment, a tune will fix the slushbox right up

 

I was holding out hope for this because Ford clearly thought the Bronco needed a manual to compete with Jeep as a legitimate off-road vehicle. Toyota couldn't drop it at this point without losing some image.

The aluminum peddles may be a top trim range item, but I imagine the stick will be available across the TRD trim line as now. You want to push manual fans into a higher trim to offset development costs but you don't want to restrict it so much that you get so few takers that it doesn't pay off.

 

Never been so happy to be totally wrong. I was CERTAIN it was dead.

 

Its not that they cant and it has been done before. The question is it worth the development costs. Toyota does not have a manual hybrid in any platform globally and the other possible future applications in the 86 and Supra are platform shared with other manufacturers. So all the development costs of a manual - hybrid integration would have to be spread across just the 75,000ish Manual Tacomas sold in the 4g's platform lifespan. Then you have to subtract all the manual Tacomas that would be sold with a non-hybrid manual, then subtract out how many Tacoma buyers would settle for a non-hybrid manual or a hybrid-auto Tacoma. That leaves a couple million dollars in development costs spread across a very small number of trucks. How many people would only buy a Tacoma because it has a manual hybrid option over a competitive brand? 1,000 people a year? Maybe 6-8,000 total over the platforms lifespan? I'm not in the car business, but I am in business and the math doesn't work out.

Very happy that the manual is alive. I figured there was a good chance with the Bronco and Jeep still offering manuals. I just hope they put a stout clutch pack in it so it can handle the additional torque of a tune on the turbo engine. VW is famous for putting a clutch in the GTI that can just barely handle the factory output so that anyone that tunes a manual GTI also has to do a clutch.

 

It was on the third gen for a bit but only the 4 banger with a 5 speed on the lower trims.

 

yeah depends if there's a price premium like with the Supra or if they'll also use this manual powertrain on other vehicles like the 6th Gen 4runner.... and maybe an FJ reboot to compete with the Bronco and Wrangler

 

Im definitely gonna order a manual 4th gen now lol. If they sell them for anything over $60k then maybe not

 

No SR5 3rd Gen came with MT, only SR and TRD's.

 

Good to know I was only looking at pros and offroads during my search. The new bells and whistles are going to be cool on the 4th gen but more to break obviously. Its going to be a tough call if they do it like the bronco where its the lower engine but more power than what the current 3rd gens have. There is something endearing with the old school simplistic setup of the 3rd gen as current vehicles go.

 

Thats a rare one. I drove a customers 2017 5-Speed SR at work once about 2 years ago.

 

Even more rare than the 2016-2017 4 banger 5 speed was an SR V6 6 speed for 2016 and 2017. I think they were only sold to special order contractors or something as l have only seen 3 for sale over the years.

 

Ah. I thought that was for the SR5 trim. I've heard about it before, I've never seen one for sale or a VIN for that config