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6spd or no 6spd?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Black Sheep, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. Oct 25, 2010 at 7:04 AM
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    Evil Monkey

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    Probably this. Going 60 on the freeway is pretty slow out here. I'm running around 65mph and I get passed by most traffic.
     
  2. Oct 25, 2010 at 3:15 PM
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    I'm no expert but this is one explanation I found for the RPM delay or "Throttle Hang". I pulled this particular explanation off of Genesis Forums but I am sure there are numerous sites with similar info.:

    "The rev hang (partial opening of the throttle) was put into the throttle body control in order to lessen the blow by gas emission. During the development Hyundai researchers experienced that if a throttle body closes immediately, pressure inside the engine(crankcase) becomes so great, it caused more oil vaporization than usual. This is quite normal for any turbo charged engines, but Hyundai wanted even better emissions and didn't want to deal with the "oil loss" issues. Thus by partially keeping the throttle body open even after gas pedal has been completely released, pressure can escape from engine."
     
  3. Oct 25, 2010 at 5:28 PM
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    Well, I drove the 6 spd tonight and I do not like it. I hate the throttle hang and I do not like the issue of the inevitable throwout bearing problem. The auto is going to cost me almost $1k more, but hopefully I will be happier.
     
  4. Oct 25, 2010 at 5:30 PM
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    I used to have an '09 six speed. At about 20K miles, I started to hear a very low whirl sound. But then I needed a long bed and got lower apr financing so now I got an '11 in automatic. BTW, if you stick with the 6speed, it's $200 fix with the sleeve kit. Might as well upgrade your clutch while you're at it. The auto is a little bit better on the gas mileage but not by much. Depends on how you drive. Like Chris said, drive both and decide.

    If you haven't driven the 6 speed, I seriously suggest you do before going through with your order. From my experience, there seem to be a slight lag from the time you push the clutch in and when it disengages. I found other to have the same issue. It's also clunky and ackward and I've driven all kinds of manual cars and trucks for 20 years. I also suggest go to the Camaro forums since I believe the same transmission is on the V6 6speed camaro's to see if they have issues as well.

    Also the pedal squeeked when the weather was hot!
     
  5. Oct 25, 2010 at 5:39 PM
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    i've got 47xxx miles on my o6 and no issue with the throwout bearing yet *knock on wood* and by "throttle hang" if you mean how the RPMs stay up for a bit. i figured it made shifting more easier as the travel from gear to gear isnt close like a sports car
     
  6. Oct 25, 2010 at 5:56 PM
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    Same for me. I have about 49K with no issues.
     
  7. Oct 25, 2010 at 6:46 PM
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    Priddle And now for something completely different....

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    I origionally had a hard time figuring out the clutch. I press it in all the way or close to all the way and the time it took made for a rough shift. But I figured that it doesn't take much of a press to disengage the clutch so I only press it in 1/4 of the way perhaps. Shifting is smoother as a result.

    Mine has about 46000kms and no clutch problems. The Toyota service record doesn't have any transmission work recorded.
     
  8. Oct 25, 2010 at 10:34 PM
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    The disengagement lag only happened on cold start up. After it warms up, it shifted fine. It was like that from day 1.
     
  9. Oct 26, 2010 at 8:40 AM
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    Im at 55k no problems with mine. I get good gas mileage, I do as stated in here though when trying to get good gas mileage shift at or before 2k and take off slowly also dont go over 65mph. But most of the time I dont care and just romp it all the way to work. Mine shifts fine as well, I find it easy to drive some of you should try driving the WRX I had with an upgraded dog box with straight cut gears. I bet 98% of you wouldn't be able to get out of 2nd gear.(not saying your bad drivers but it took me a long time to be able to drive it good enough to race it).
     
  10. Oct 26, 2010 at 9:04 AM
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    i really wanted a 6spd when i bought my 2010 but i ended up going with the auto instead because of the wait time involved for ordering one. I'm really glad i got an auto after owning my truck for 6 months. I tow quite a bit plus, it's a truck. It's not a sports car (like what i have previously been used to). The auto is very smooth and just makes it easier in the stop and go traffic. I'm happy i got an auto, and after owning it for 6 months i think i'd be dreading the manual at this point. I'm not gonna say it's a slow truck, but it's slow enough to where having a manual wouldn't be much fun, ya know? Plus, the auto gets better mileage...
     
  11. Oct 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM
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    6spd is the way to go... i miss my 6spd:(
     
  12. Oct 26, 2010 at 9:07 AM
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    The better gas mileage in an auto to me is still a myth I have reached the 400 mile mark for one tank with my 6speed and average 350-380 miles to the tank and thats with bigger tires than stock.
     
  13. Oct 26, 2010 at 10:24 AM
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    77k miles on my 6speed no mechanical issues...only nusiances...the only complaints I have are the throwout bearing squeaks from time to time, the pedal requires a shot of lube every few months, and I wish 6th gear was geared a little lower for highway driving.

    I love driving a manual transmission though. I wouldn't buy an automatic.
     
  14. Oct 26, 2010 at 12:10 PM
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    love my 6 speed
     
  15. Nov 9, 2010 at 10:13 PM
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    OK, i thought rpm delay meant throttle lag like all drive by wire manual trans toyotas have. As in, you press the gas pedal and nothing happens, theres a delay, then it reacts and the throttle actually opens or changes. On traditional systems and good drive by wire systems, it's all instantaneous. I hate toyota drive by wire + manual trans.
     
  16. Nov 9, 2010 at 10:27 PM
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    6 speed trans screw automatic
     
  17. Nov 10, 2010 at 9:31 PM
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    If you can/like to drive stick, youre a safer smarter more couteous driver in control of your truck and have the alloted amount of testicles. Sometime try to find a stick shift with front end crash damage... Very under represented in crash statistics.
     
  18. Nov 11, 2010 at 7:55 PM
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    I would love to see some driving/crash statistics comparing manual trans drivers to auto trans drivers. I'm betting auto drivers crash over 4 times as often.
     
  19. Nov 12, 2010 at 11:09 PM
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    It was something like that. I can't find the statistics anymore. Think I had them as part of a course at one time. I know I can feel a HUGE difference in my attention to driving when I drive an automatic. I drive a lot more like all the other choads on the road. Lots of panic stops etc.

    Funny.. wanting to go with the automatic because of this alleged "throttle hang" that people imagine. I've definitely owned and driven more cars than most people, so maybe I'm more tolerant of learning how new cars drive, but I still think that's freaking picky; over the absolute lack of throttle control on an automatic.. what the heck? Not a great argument.

    thinking that the toyota 5 speed auto is somehow not going to be prone to more problems than the possible throw out bearing issue on the 6 speed.
    Not a great argument.
     
  20. Nov 22, 2010 at 9:19 PM
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    I drive a manual 2011 Taco...no testicles though!:D

    I hear ya though. I learned on a manual trans, drove one for years till I bought my Silverado in 04.

    I think learning on a stick and driving one did make me a better driver. Not saying I'm the best but I know when I got the chevy in auto, I zone out more and just "drive"

    Now, my new baby, I made sure it was a manual! I like it, it feels like I'm driving a truck. Only have 600 miles on it so far but it's great.

    I'm driving from Mountain View to Southern California next week, I'll report on the gas mileage etc I get. I usually drive about 75 and there's a few hills I gotta climb on the way down there so it should be a good workout for the truck and to see how many miles I can get out of a tank.

    Either way, I hope and think you already got what you wanted BlackSheep!
     
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