700lb Spring Ride Height w/ and w/o Additional Weight?

I have King 2.5 RR's with 700lb springs on my truck right now. I have no additional weight at the moment. However I do have a plate bumper and winch on the way.

As it sits I have 2+ inches of lift of the front. It's way front high. I haven't adjusted the coilovers but there's only a 1/2" of downward adjustment anyway.

Question is, will the added weight of bumper and winch be enough to get it close to level? I will be lifting the rear someday too, just don't have the funds to do it for awhile.

 

Go sit on the front bumper or hang some dumbbells off the tow hook to match your anticipated mod weight. Measure.

 

Yes, it should settle (lower) about 1/2 inch up to 1 inch in the front with the bumper and winch addition.

 

What’s level? To the rear with no lift? Depends.

To answer your question, you’re probably over sprung if you want less than 1 inch of lift.

Spring rate does not equate to lift, spring rate is a function of the vehicle weight and the force applied to the suspension. If you want less lift, go with shorter coil. Your local king dealer will get you sorted. If not, call filthy motor sports in Colorado.

 

Damn I'm stupid. That is perfect, thank you!

 

Yes, I have a stock rear set up. (at the moment)
Could you explain over sprung?

I don't quite understand how spring rate doesn't equate to lift. I was under the impression that the 700lb spring is the same length as the other springs, just with a higher rate? If so, wouldn't it take more weight or force to compress that spring? The settled spring wouldn't compress as much if I don't have the extra weight on it. I do suppose that the heavier spring would settle less than a softer spring would too. So the ride height should depend on how much weight is on it. This is all considering the scenario where the pre load adjustment stays the same.

 

Too much spring rate so it would ride like a buckboard wagon.

 

Bro lean or Cali lean.

 

Cali. Shit lighting in the pic but here it is to give you an idea.

 

The front sits higher than the back.... add the weight to the front and it will soften it up. Mine rode like shit for a while until i added the front bumper. I was a little over 5 inches in the front and 4 in the back. Once the bumper was on it leveled out and rode like a dream. Unfortunately I lost power steering as my rack shit the bed on its second trip with the bumper. I am not running a larger tire as of yet.

 

How much did THAT cost to fix? Just want to know in case that happens too.

And yeah, the lack of weight does mean it rides like crap. I hear all these good things about kings and I'm almost worse off right now. I just don't like to do things twice, like changing out the spring. I can deal with it until I get all my armor ordered and on.

After this whole experience, i am going to be much more careful with what leaf pack I choose. I initially thought the heaviest dakars. Now I'm thinking the 400lb additional weight set up.

 

The rack hasnt been replaced yet.... Been trying to figure out a couple of things. A new rack and pinion is about $750.00 for the part, salvage yard from a wrecked truck is $500.00, I have seen a few pop up on eBay for around $350.00 that guys have pulled out because they upgraded the steering system. Labor is another story. I have a quote from 2 dealerships. 1 wants $2400.00 to replace power steering pump, rack and pinion and the lines. Dealer 2 wants $2000.00 just to replace the rack and pinion.

 

Rides stiff as hell huh? I did the same thing but due to front bumper build time I went with a stock spring rate spring till I mounted the bumper . Then had to switch back to the heavy load springs . I've now re done the front twice and the rear twice . I think I'll also do some floating bags for full loadout.

 

Stiff as my first bonner. I don't mind it though. I thought the stock off road suspension was too soft. I usually describe the current ride as firm in a good way. I'm excited to get her fattened up and feel how she rides. A little cushin for the pushin

 

Yeah it wasn't too bad onroad but it was ridiculous offroad . That day I ordered some springs to get me by.

 

don't gimme that cali-lean crap, not everyone out here does that dumb stuff.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLhqHPILqn0

the rate determines how much force is required to compress the spring over a distance. Google Hookes law, watch the video. it will help you understand. At the end of the day the stock rate is 540# @ 14". Anything above that will result in more lift and stiffer ride in the stock configuration.

What you have now, is a sock that is longer than stock, with a spring rate that is much higher than stock. Since your vehicle is not heavy enough to compress the stock, you are at the top of the travel. Oversprung means you have too much spring rate for the vehicle. If you want to maintain the 700# rate, but not the lift, you'll have to go to a shorter coil (your king coil is 14" long, btw). I'm not a suspension professional, which is why you should consult one if you have a serious question or if you're serious about correcting your issue.

 

Are your front cross bars sitting in rhino ditch tracks?

 

No. I messed up and installed the fixed mounts on the cab. It's okay though because I want to carry lineal shit and it's now far enough forward to mount a light bar in the future.