ABS on this truck is dangerous...

My 2005 TRD 6SPD OR experienced these problems, which ultimately resulting in my vehicle being totaled. My 2014 TRD 6SPD OR has not yet exhibited these problems. Hopefully it won't!

Again, I encourage anyone who has experienced problems to file a complaint with the NTSB.

 

Back in 2007 I filed complaints with Toyota and I believe I did with the NHTSA also. No results. Honestly it's a very critical defect. I tend to get attached to vehicles, but now that I have a Tacoma that (knock on wood) doesn't seem to exhibit this problem, I'm glad to see it out of my hands. I'm loving my 2015.

 

I have not driven a automatic rear wheel vehicle that has not done this, including non ABS ones. The non ABS ones are worse because the front end locks up and you have no steering. I guess a lot of people don't expect it anymore since they are spoiled with all wheel drive and front wheel drive cars which don't push like that.

 

Remember the newer trucks have Electronic Brake Distribution. I am sure it helps. Also people consider a tire not (AKA Rugged Fails and Grantrek Fails) designed for snow is going to cause the ABS to come on a lot sooner than one that is designed for snow and ice. Not all off road focused tires are good in snow.

 

The other thing to remember with the Tacoma is the Electronic Throttle Cutoff when you hit the brakes. The engine is supposed to go to idle throttle when you hit the brakes. Toyota put the system in after the NHTSA investigated gas pedal/unintended acceleration issues several years ago with Toyota vehicles. The truck shouldn't be able to push anything once the brakes are applied. If the torque converter locked up with the engine at idle throttle I would think that a stall would occur do to the load of the brakes fighting the engine putting out very little power.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but don't you have to hammer the brakes hard for the engine cutout to happen. A front end push can happen with out much brake pressure. An automatic is always applying some force to you vehicle, it is not like pushing in the clutch on a stick. When you stop in normal conditions the brakes are over coming that small amount of force. still being applied.

 

The brake overide is supposed to occur any time the brakes are applied. That's why newer Tacoma's can't do brake stands .

You were talking about the torque converter "locking up". As far as I understand transmissions, and I'm no expert, when the Torque Converter locks up it's a mechanical connection that is formed. That would be mean any load applied on the rear wheels by the brakes should either A) Immediately disengage the Torque Converter or B) The load would be transfer to the engine which would cause a significant drop in RPM or a stall because the engine is at idle.

I agree that automatics always apply some force to the vehicle. My comment was related to your assertion that the torque converter was locking up which was pushing the rear end through braking.

 

The brake overide is supposed to occur any time the brakes are applied. That's why newer Tacoma's can't do brake stands .

You were talking about the torque converter "locking up". As far as I understand transmissions, and I'm no expert, when the Torque Converter locks up it's a mechanical connection that is formed. That would be mean any load applied on the rear wheels by the brakes should either A) Immediately disengage the Torque Converter or B) The load would be transfer to the engine which would cause a significant drop in RPM or a stall because the engine is at idle.

I agree that automatics always apply some force to the vehicle. My comment was related to your assertion that the torque converter was locking up which was pushing the rear end through braking.

 

I found this surfing around. Maybe it's already been posted, but the last post on it was interesting.


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Toyota-Repair-832/f/1998-Toyota-Tacoma-ABS.htm

 

Non ABS vehicles stop in a shorter distance on snow than do ABS equipped vehicles , automatics included

fact

 

I suppose but 15mph is crawling, but thats about the speed people here were saying they were having the issue. At that speed my truck stops under the distance of the trucks length from the braking point and abs never engages. Her truck needing almost an entire length of the truck more than mine at such a low speed is excessive. That is pretty much double the distance.

If tires alone are making that big a difference than perhapse the notion that the tires equiped exasperate the issue needs to be revisted. I have only ever had duratracs on my Tacoma in the snow, so I have nothing else to compare to form a baseline.

I feel for you guys that have this issue, Im glad that I'm not.

 

When did I say ABS stops quicker than non ABS? Non ABS vehicles typically do stop quicker if properly used and not locked ( but how many people actually use it like a race car driver would anticipating braking hard), but loose the ability to steer especially in a 2wd rear push situation or skid, and this is what I have been saying. The vehicle makers and government powers that be found that statistically most people are more likely to steer out of an accident with ABS rather then skidding to a stop with no steering.

example of skidding without ABS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKiTAcXK6M4

 

Don't argue against the ABS diablers. Trust me, the next arguement you'll hear is "well one time I was going down hill X and I started to slide without ABS and hit the guard rail. It's a good thing to because I almost ended up in an intersection right after the hill with semi's crisscrossing at 1,000,000,000 MPH and would of been killed if I had ABS. There's over ALL YOUR BASE amount of intersections in my area that are like that and I almost get killed in my Tacoma all the time. BTW I don't believe in winter tires either because the fucking Swedish use them."

Okay I may be exaggerating a bit , but that's basically the next thing that comes up.

This thread is sad. Same old circle, just new tires.

 

Glad we agree , ABS sucks on snow

and you can stop in a shorter distance ploughing

and * lose

 

Well crafted, and very productive.

 

He's a Leafs fan

 

Probably the next thing you guys will say is car crumple zones kill people, seat belts don't save lives. Gasoline is a good substitute for Gatorade. You need muffler bearings to fix your truck.

 

Well to be honest, seat belts do pose certain dangers. Crumple zones help but also are stupid I think. I'd rather be in an big old car with less airbags and more steel than more airbags and it crumples and shatters in an accident. But that's just me.
There are pros and cons to everything, normally the point is just to have more pros than cons. Which is pretty much the base for abs, seatbelts, crumple zones, etc.

 

Jeez, it's like no one hear has heard of sarcasm. It's all I can think of now with this thread. This thing was wrapped up pages ago.

Building on OZ's summary

-Basically there is an ABS issue on some Tacoma's
-The issues has a few different interpretations, but floating is how it's often described
-On snow, gravel, and other loose surfaces ABS disabling can help ANY vehicle stop faster, not just Tacoma's
-People without ABS may enter a skid on any surface during a panic maneuver on flat solid surfaces, disable at your own risk
-The average person is better off with functioning ABS rather than nothing, but when the ABS goes sideways all bets are off
-This is a Tacoma problem, not an ABS problem
-Tires may or may not be involved
-Model years may or may not be involved
-TRD OR or Sport may or may not be involved
-None of us can do a damn thing to fix it because it is likely software related
-The people who can fix it don't know this is a problem
-If you have a problem, report it to the NHTSA immediately because they may be able to help if enough people report an identical complaint

 

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