AdventureTaco - turbodb's build and adventures

Yeah, I agree with you that they look identical - right down to all the images. I wondered if they were all just reselling some kit from Callahan. You have a favorite kit you're thinking of? I thought I might even go with OEM rotors, since it seems like they might be significantly higher quality casts.

 

No pre-made kit for me.

When I do it, and it will happen this winter, it will likely be with some Napa reman calipers and Toyota OEM rotors and ceramic pads.

I'm thinking black calipers will look really good behind the gunmetal ray10s.

 

Id go for powerstop ones. Or Napa ones. My Callahan ones weren't awesome. One was fucked up actually. Didn't try to get a warranty at the time due to timing of the MUD trip. So still have it with dual crush washers..haha

7cm...

soo..

2.75'' hahaha

Thats a lot.

Be like Frank almost!

Thats a good choice for setup. Will cost more but last longer i think. The rotors anyways and pads.

 

Holy typo batman! 7mm. No Frank for me, I will not end up in that situation. Igor is much more acceptable .

 

Okay I was gonna say. Haha that is much more acceptable

 

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How is the ride with the new springs? Thinking to order one for mine...

Nice built, nice stories, made me remember why I got my Tacoma!
Thanks!

 

Thanks, it's been fun putting it together. Ride with the new springs is excellent. Couldn't be happier. Holds the weight really well, and yet doesn't feel super stiff.

 

I'm sending you a dictionary ASAP

 

Won't help; can't read. hahahaha

...though, if you could drive it over, I could use your help with some other work on the truck!

 

New-to-me Tires and a Tundra Brake Upgrade
October 25, 2017.

When you find yourself on a trip with other Tacoma owners, there's a tendency for everyone to come away from the trip wanting something. And in my case, with a relatively "young" build, that's extra easy.

For me, I've always known that I want bigger tires. But I've hesitated to do so because well, tires are expensive and bigger ones are hard on the gas mileage. Well, after The De-Tour, it was clear that I'd just have to suck it up and go for it - I mean, the Truck did great on the trip, but the front skid took a whooping.

Which isn't bad - I mean, I paid good money for that thing. Glad it's doing its job.

Anyway - one night on the trip, I mentioned bigger tires, and I could see Monte and Mike's faces light up. Because bigger tires meant only one thing to them: an opportunity for me to get bigger wheels! I mean, because I would need bigger wheels if I was going to do (obviously) the Tundra brake upgrade.

And it was all the better (for them) because it was my wallet getting lighter! Hahaha!

Well, I decided on and ordered wheels first, because I was sure of what I wanted - SCS Stealth6's. But then I had to figure out what tires to mount up. I thought I wanted 255/85R16 BFG KM2's, but I wasn't sure. So, when I got a lead from @drr on a great second-hand set that he had on some steel spares, it didn't take me long to decide to give them a try - if I like them, I can get some new ones. And if I don't, it will be a cheap experiment.

So, home they came!

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They mounted up pretty easily - turns out that there were two different backspacings on the steel wheels (maybe 1st gen / 2nd gen? Or Tacoma / 4Runner?). At any rate, I put the smaller backspacing on the front, and the larger on the back, knowing that I'd be installing the bigger brakes in the front, and I hoped they'd clear.

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They were definitely bigger!

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And installed, they look pretty nice - definitely lift the truck up a bit! The rears sit a little far back in the wheel wells for me, but I'll deal with that "later," - it won't be a problem in the city, and only might be a problem on the trail.

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With the new-to-me tires installed, I was ready to get to the brakes. My wear indicators started squealing on the last trip, so I knew it was time - especially with bigger tires, I didn't want to do a lot of driving on the current set of pads!

I'd already gotten everything ordered up, having debated between two possible routes:

1. Go with a "kit" that came with all the components I'd need. Either a Callahan or PowerStop.
2. Buy individual components to get the best quality.

Ultimately, I went route #2. I think this is the less common route, but after finding a great comparison of OEM vs. non-OEM here, I figured that I didn't want to mess around with brake quality, and I could cover the extra expense - after-all, it's not like there's anything else expensive I want to get for the truck, right?!

(Note: I think that for route #1 the PowerStop brakes are probably the better bet even though they are a bit more expensive, since others have had problems with the Callahan's.)

Having decided on route #2, I'd ordered:

• 2 Toyota Tundra OEM rotors (L/R: 43512-0C011) Note: Amazon is sometimes out of these, and the Bosch QuietCast line is another good (and cheaper) option (L/R: 50011223)
• 2 Remanufactured Tundra 13WL calipers. Any of the following will work just fine and are all generally remanufactured by Cardone:
  • Callahan: L+R set, red powder coat
  • Napa Eclipse: (L: CAL SE3263) (R: CAL SE3264) or Adaptive One (L: ADC 1766XA) (R: ADC 1766XB)
  • Note: You can use other 13WL calipers as well as long as you use a Hard Brake Line conversion kit (link below). If you are going to try to use a banjo bolt, you need to use the Napa Eclipse calipers.
• 1 set of Toyota Tundra OEM brake pads (L/R: 04465-35290)
• 1 set of Toyota Tundra OEM brake pad shims (L/R: 04945-35120, or 04945-0c030)
• 1 Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit
• Some DOT4 brake fluid, and 3M brake cleaner

[Update 2019-08-19] - I've stopped using the Wheelers Stainless Steel front brake lines that I installed, in favor of Tundra-style hard brake lines. This isn't due to the Wheelers lines, but rather to manufacturing differences in Tundra brake calipers found at the standard parts stores. To see what happened to one of my calipers, see Rig Review: Idaho July 2019 - What worked and what didn't? and for the solution, Making It Right: Tacoma-to-Tundra Brake Upgrade, where I ultimately switched to a Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit.

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Then, my only question was: would this stuff fit with those steel wheels I was currently sporting? I hoped so, but in the quality write-up I mentioned, there was this caveat:

I asked, and there were of course differing opinions, so in the end, I just gave it a shot by removing the Tacoma caliper and temporarily bolting on a Tundra one. It worked!

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I just set aside the Tacoma caliper, while I tried out the Tundra one (pad-less).

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That was a huge relief, so I got started with the install. It was actually quite straight forward - though it took me a while since I was being extra careful, not wanting to mess anything up.

Having already taken off the Tacoma caliper, the next step was to remove the center anchor for the flexible line, and then disconnect the flexible brake line from the hard line. I broke the nut free with a 10mm flare nut wrench and then removed the clip so I could pull out the flexible line + caliper, and then the Tacoma rotor.

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If I'd not done the Tundra upgrade, it was definitely time for new pads anyway...

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With all the Tacoma bits removed, it was time to trim the dust shield to fit the Tundra caliper. I didn't need to trim much, but after trimming the little bit I did, I used a file to remove all the burs, round off all the sharp edges and get it "user-friendly" again. And then I hit it with a couple coats of Rustoleum enamel, to prevent future rust.

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Fitting the Tundra parts came next. First on was the rotor - it just slips on, but a couple of lug nuts can help to snug it up over the hub and hold it in place. Then while rotating it, I could see if there were any places on the dust shield that rub on the rotor itself. For me there were, but I was able to easily bend those parts of the dust shield "toward the engine a little bit" in order to clear everything. And then, I just bolted on the caliper - careful to get the specified 92 ft-lbs on the torque wrench.

Starting to come together!

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The pads required greasing and assembly (with the spacers), but that goes quickly - essentially, you put grease on all surfaces of the spacers, being careful to not get any on the friction area of the pads - and then you just slide them into the calipers, fastening them with a spring and pins (that are supplied with the calipers).

The spring was a bit tricky for me the first time, but I realized that if I installed it at the same time as the top pin, that the pin would help to hold it in place.

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<span class="post-update-label">[Update 2019-08-19] - I've stopped using the Wheelers Stainless Steel front brake lines that I installed, in favor of Tundra-style hard brake lines. This isn't due to the Wheelers lines, but rather to manufacturing differences in Tundra brake calipers found at the standard parts stores. To see what happened to one of my calipers, see Rig Review: Idaho July 2019 - What worked and what didn't? and for the solution, Making It Right: Tacoma-to-Tundra Brake Upgrade</span>. <span class="post-update-label">[end update]</span>

Then, the only thing left was to install the Wheeler's front brake lines. The Wheeler's lines are needed because the banjo-bolt is slightly shorter than the OEM Tacoma banjo; otherwise, the lines are just stainless-steel versions of the OEM lines. They also come with crush washers and whatnot that you need to install them.

This is a pretty straight-forward process - essentially, the reverse of taking out the OEM lines and went really smoothly for me on the passenger side.

But of course, nothing can be totally easy, and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't slide the center anchor to the necessary location on the brake line for the driver side. And that meant that I didn't have enough line to reach the hard lines coming out of the engine compartment.

I played with it for probably 30 minutes before calling @Wheeler's Off-Road Inc. I talked to Steve and he mentioned that I should try greasing the brake line and then pulling with all my might - which I did.

Now, I'm not the strongest guy in the world (thank goodness), but I'm not really a slouch either (thank goodness). Even lubed-up and pulling hard, I couldn't get the grommet to move. In fact, instead the rubber coating on the exterior of the brake line itself started to deform - building a little "wall" that the grommet would never clear.

Well, that's no good.

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Steve was great - he was happy to send out a replacement. Hopefully he'll be able to get it out overnight; or at least two-day so I get it Friday (c'mon Steve!) - then, it'll be onto the truck and I'll bleed the lines one last time, on my way to beefier brakes.

[Edit: Steve got the lines out with 1-day shipping, which USPS of course interpreted to be "by Saturday." Thanks Steve!]

Because as I keep reminding myself - if you're going to get bigger tires, you might as well consider bigger wheels to fit some bigger brakes.

Oh, and of course, this is one of those great mods - you know, the one's you can't even tell you did, but that you know when you look at your truck - there are some Tundra brakes in there!

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[EDIT 2017-11-16]

Just a final follow-up here as I was taking care of re-forming (rather than cutting) and re-installing the fender liners today as part of the pinch weld mod and so had the wheels off.

I have two different types of 16" steel spares - one type fits over the Tundra 13WL calipers, the other doesn't:

Fits:

• label stamped in wheel: J 16X7 JJ DOT CMC 10 01 HM 31
• backspacing: 4 3/4" strong (so 4 3/4+)
• identifiable (for me) via all holes being round (P/N: 42601-0C010)

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Doesn't fit (backspacing pushes the wheel too far in, interfering with the brakes and front suspension):

• label stamped in wheel: J 16X7 JJ DOT CMC 9 10 WT 14
• backspacing: 5 3/8"
• identifiable (for me) via one oval hole near the valve stem

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[Update October 2020]

Lots and lots of people wonder if a certain wheel will fit with the Tundra 13WL calipers. Until now, finding that info has been hard. However, this page now catalogs (with photos) wheels that are known to fit:

Which Wheels/Rims Fit the Tundra Brake Upgrade (13WL 231mm rotors) on a Tacoma? (or 3rd gen 4Runner)​

 

Need the smaller booster and master now haha

 

Subbed!! And im gonna need brakes soon. Im liking your setup. Seems trustworthy with OEM/OEM Reman. Did the caliper hardware come with the caliper or the brake pads or separate? Looks like OEM packaging is why i ask.

 

Also, when are the new wheels going on? Excited to see those 16" stealth 6's as well as dark bronze with the green as i almost got dark bronze sr8's instead of gunmetal!

 

Looks good man! Glad those steelies fit over the Tundra brakes - now if anyone asks we know the answer.

Let us know how you like the KM2's once you get your brake lines sorted out and go for a test ride.

 

Looks great Dan. I need to get this mod done too. Now that you (almost) have it under your belt, you can comme over and teach me how it's done.

And I recall the conversation around the campfire going a little differently. I asked whats that swishing noise and you said it was your brakes. And that started the whole discussion about bigger brakes which leads to bigger wheels which leads to 33s which leads to 4.88s......

 

Gonna try it with the existing first. Besides, haven't you cost me me enough already!?

Thanks man, glad you're liking! I hear you on the trustworthy bit. Plus, the OEM rotors look like a lot better castings than the aftermarket ones (IMO). Also, the brake pads themselves are significantly larger. And isn't that the point - more braking power?

Caliper hardware ("M" spring, two pins, two spring clips) came with the calipers from Napa.

New wheels probably going on in a month or two is my guess. Want to try out these KM2's for a while before I settle on them as "the new tire." @Digiratus also got me thinking about some KM3's and Coopers.

Thank you sir! I'm going to get the specs on the wheels tomorrow so we have measurements in the future as well. Will definitely report back on the KM2's once I get to drive on 'em.

 

hahahahaha, it's the "facts" discussion again.

Just remember, whatever ends up in the trip report must be true, and I already wrote that day up, just waiting to post it!...

Will be interesting when my trip report doesn't match @Blackdawg's... maybe there can be two versions of the truth!

Edit: I'm also happy to come help with your brakes. Pretty fun mod actually. Thanks for your input on the parts!

 

Facts are not dependent on one's perspective, whereas the 'truth' definitely is.

 

Not in 2017, facts are just things you blurt out to back up weak arguments.

 

Watch yourself my friend. Discussing politics is a bannable offence on this forum.