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AdventureTaco - turbodb's build and adventures

Discussion in '1st Gen. Builds (1995-2004)' started by turbodb, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. May 15, 2019 at 11:29 AM
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  2. May 15, 2019 at 11:33 AM
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    Great photo's! Well I think I found a potential spot for next summers overlanding trip.

    By what time of the year do you think that area will be all dried out for travel?
     
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  3. May 15, 2019 at 11:35 AM
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    Don't gimme that, this isn't the first time this has happened for you, ORBDR. It's not like they're super heavy, or have to be dry stored. You could just bungie them to the underside of the front of your rack. Hell jam em above the old spare tire carrier. Zip tie em to the sliders, turn them into a temporary set of cab top wings. 2nd and 3rd genners practically wear them all over the truck, Im sure you can find one sensible place to Tetris them in. Now if I asked you to store a blacksmiths anvil so we could forge new ball joints on the trail I'd expect this amount of hemming and hawing.
     
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  4. May 15, 2019 at 11:54 AM
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    Eh. I haven't ever had good luck with Traction boards. Not sure they are worth it. PITA to haul too due to their shape and size. Only ever had them work well with trucks that are locked and good tires. In face, I'd bet a MT would have faired a lot better in that situation alone(Duh)

    Id recommend just finding a friend next time to bring with you. More hands, more tools, more parts, always a place to tug off of and winch. And company is always fun.

    Obviously that isn't as simple either since you two basically are on trips all the time.

    Still, Im not sold on the traction mats especially in Mud. In snow I've have some success. But not that much.
     
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  5. May 15, 2019 at 12:24 PM
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    You could have saved yourself a lot of worry and digging had you used them off the bat. That said... They are on my shortlist of gear to get so i can't throw any stones at you lol I'm just sorting out the mounting situation. But I've seen/used them to recover 5 stuck vehicles in the past 2 years. One of them my wife's truck :anonymous:
     
  6. May 15, 2019 at 12:43 PM
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    CowboyTaco $20 is $20

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    This was my thought as well as I read that part.
     
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  7. May 15, 2019 at 12:50 PM
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  8. May 15, 2019 at 12:58 PM
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    Thanks. It's definitely a cool place. I think in general it's dried out by July. I mean, the Playa is dry enough now (assuming it's not rained for a few days before you get there) but there's still lots of water in the surrounding area. Makes everything green and pretty, but obviously has drawbacks as well :).

    I'm sure I could fit them somewhere, but the truck's already heavy and it's not getting lighter :). There's always something else to buy that does "sort of the same thing" as another tool - in this case, what a shovel and some branches accomplished.

    As much as possible I like to have things with multi-function...and traction boards aren't really. Unless I used them as truck levelers in camp. But man, I don't know that I could stomach the #instafabulousness of that. I know I'd never hear the end of it from my camping buddies for sure.

    OK, now I'm thinking maybe I should get some, lest we agree for too long. :p

    And yeah, I would love to have a friendly couple in a second truck come along next time...I'll invite @BossFoss and his better half.

    Hahahahaha, I think you two should come on more of these trips - @MissBlackdawg would have enjoyed the wild horses I bet.

    Yeah, but the digging worked. So, traction boards would have been more redundancy, and to Monte's point...who knows if they'd have worked; and what a mess. Plus, when does the redundancy stop? Shovel + Traction boards + dead man? Have to draw the line somewhere.

    My thought too as I wrote it :). But then again, it did turn out that what I had with me was good enough (again).

    I actually really like this - hadn't seen it before. I already carry some 2x6's, so this could be a good multi-use. Thanks! :thumbsup: :cheers:
     
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  9. May 15, 2019 at 1:01 PM
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    I mean Brett is WAY better company than I am hahaha

    I know she would. She is dying to get out. Wish we could this weekend but everything is snowed in hard here. Might look at going to *gasp* east MT this weekend :eek:
     
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  10. May 15, 2019 at 1:11 PM
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    I first learned about the 2x4 trick when my neighbors got stuck in their back yard. They were about to do this when I pulled up and offered insisted on using our 4runner to pull out their frontier. I didn't believe them when they said that it worked, but the countless youtube videos don't lie.

    This entertained me for 15 minutes:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkI2qPsa96I

    also a code to get 30% off maxtrax at the end of it should you decide to go that route.
     
  11. May 15, 2019 at 1:14 PM
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    Look I get that your lack of experience with them makes you wary and my anecdotes are hold so much water. So you are right, digging and some sticks got you out this time. What if they hadn't? Would you have wanted to have that option? I know I would. But I'm definitely do as I say, not as I do with this at the moment. Maybe I'll have to order some tonight to put my money where my mouth is lol I just haven't found the right size ones yet.
     
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  12. May 15, 2019 at 2:50 PM
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    See, I would have said it differently - my real life experience of always getting by without them. And to a large extent, yours. We've never had to use them on any of the trips that I've gone on with the 1st gen gang. I suppose one could argue that it's because with more trucks around, it's easier to just tug out.

    So does that mean they are only necessary when going solo? :notsure:

    There have been times I've wanted them or when they would have made things easier - I said as much above. I've even spent a bunch of late nights trying to justify the cost of them...or of the competition.

    But, I don't necessarily agree with the thought process of "what if the thing you had didn't work, would you have wanted them?" I mean, of course I would. But where does the slippery slope stop?

    Go with me on this - what if the traction boards failed because the "other rear side/wheel" spun and I didn't have a rear locker? Then, would everyone say, "you should really get a rear locker." OK, so I get a rear locker, and that doesn't work either...does everyone say, "You know, if you had a front locker..."

    That can go on forever - two trucks might not be enough, you might need three - or even four - to pull someone out of a creek in Boulder Basin because they didn't recall that the road turned to the right :D. At some point, you have to draw the redundancy line.

    So, in my "gear," I've opted for a set of redundancies (I have both lockers for instance) that have worked. Could other things have worked in these same situations? Yes, likely. But would those same other things work in all other cases? Probably not.

    So the trick is to choose the right "some" things vs. "every" thing. At least, in my thinking.

    This is part of why I like @CowboyTaco's suggestion with the 2x4's - for a lot of other reasons, I have 2x4's and straps - those can be used for a lot of other reasons. They are a good "some" thing for a lot of situations.

    I'm curious about the size issues you're wrestling with. I guess I always figured that these things are generally the same size and so who cares? Do you mean stackability?

    ===

    Anyway, I think this is a totally valuable conversation to have - so please don't take my disagreement as anger or offense or anything. The some/every thing compromise is an area I'm constantly struggling with. As time has passed since my first trip (OBDR) where I had no spare parts, etc., I've clearly added things to my kit. At the same time, one of the best threads on TW (@DVexile's Diet Taco... trying to keep things light) is all about figuring out the balance. One of the things that's stuck with me since reading his whole thread is the following:

    Don't develop a "just in case" attitude that brings 400 lbs of recovery gear and armor. Be realistic about the most likely scenarios and accept that in the worst case "stuck" just means an unplanned camp site and a recovery bill. Don't adopt the Boy Scouts' ethic of "it is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it". Hew to the ultralight backpackers' motto "if I don't have it I don't need it".

    That's poignant, especially given that I'm an Eagle Scout, hahahaha.

    Also - and lastly for now - one of the things that I always keep in mind is my distance to help. In this case, we were either 8 (east) or 3 (west) miles from a place where I could get help - even if the helpers didn't want to, or if it was costly. So, easily walking distance. Plus, we had cell service (as seems more and more common). So again, more redundancies.


    Oh - and I'm happy for anyone to join into this conversation, it's a great one!
     
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    Thinking of heading to Whitemore Overlook in a couple weeks... How long was the drive from St George and what route did you take... Hard to tell from you map pic. Did you happen to record it?
     
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    Other than Tools and most spare parts. Im trying to look at stuff with the "If it doesn't have 2 uses..probably don't need it".
     
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    Well..there's only one way really to get there from St George. Just head south. No right way or wrong way to do it!
     
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    You are the Hemingway of Tacoma explorations ! Truly a gifted writer. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    You'll have a great time at Whitmore - it was one of my favorite overlooks. And so accessible really! As Monte said, look on a map for a couple minutes to find the route south. Go until you can't anymore...and you'll be there.

    Even with parts and tools, we're always making trade-offs. I mean, AFAIK, no one carries a spare diff. There is a point at which the right redundancy is a phone call and cash, I think. hahahaha

    I don't know about that, but I have fun doing what I do! Thanks for the kudos :).
     
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    Yeah i've got it routed a few different ways, didn't know if you had a suggestion. Just for planning purposes I'm still trying to figure out how much time to provide ourselves with for that portion of trail.
     
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    We took the "direct" route (which I thought was really the only route) and it took us about 3.5 hours with all our photo stops.
     
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    In very much the same breathe, i have ONLY needed to use my winch when wheeling with the first gens and its never been for self recovery. I dont believe the traction boards are a redundant system. Are they a replacement for a winch? Certainly not. Winches can pull disabled vehicles. it can move vehicles laterally. and then are completely useless without an anchor.

    What about lockers? I have only been around 3 instances with front lockers.

    First was with the Redhead in the snow and he flirted with getting stuck locked front and rear, and was able to get out of it and make his way back down the mountain, where even sans lockers, i was breaking trail and not having issues getting stuck. The lockers should have helped him up the mountain no?

    Ok so that is snow, what about rocks? Again, redhead was unable to make it through that rocky notch in Wyoming, the truck got stuck. Did the front locker make a difference? Nope. Winch came out.

    Well then what about mud? You know where i'm going with this. No. So no, i dont believe that Lockers are a form of recovery gear and arent really part of the equation. (i cant recall if Frank is llocked in the front but there is another instance where front locker didnt save him from the creek)


    My size limit is peculiar. It has to do with how i want to package them on the truck because effectively, i want to mount them in an easy to access location, without making a foot print or blocking access to other things. That way there is no compromise to carry them what so ever. I am gonna pick some up this fall so still shopping around and hoping i can find the right size AND quality to meet my needs. 40" x 10" x 4.5" stacked is what i need although currently i havent found a viable option.


    I think it is a great debate as well, even if you are wrong. :luvya: There is a limit to what needs to be brought along. I have a tool roll and fluids, and simple things like a tstat and belts. But i dont carry ball joints, or axles even. In 8 years of doing this, i have had none fail on me, over 90k miles. Statistically, i have a hard time justifying carrying them. Bringing extra fuel and water seems to be a better use of the space that would be consumed with excessive parts. We spend a lot of time pouring over our setup to ensure we arent bringing too much unneeded crap, and making sure we identify things we need to change, upgrade, or test for future trips to improve our rig.

    But carrying a product that can make life easier and takes up no space and is guaranteed to get used? Yeah, that is money well spent.
     
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