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AdventureTaco - turbodb's build and adventures

Discussion in '1st Gen. Builds (1995-2004)' started by turbodb, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. Jan 9, 2020 at 3:37 PM
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    Yes, mine are symmetrical. And so are Dan's.
     
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  2. Jan 9, 2020 at 5:10 PM
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    So are mine :)
     
  3. Jan 9, 2020 at 6:31 PM
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    Nope, bad picture.
    20200109_192910.jpg
     
  4. Jan 9, 2020 at 6:43 PM
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    Im going to have to check again. I think my ADS are offset but just a tad. Not nearly as much as Ben's are.
     
  5. Jan 9, 2020 at 8:26 PM
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    Mine are centered between the mounting brackets.
     
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  6. Jan 9, 2020 at 8:27 PM
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    What happened to your bumpstop?
     
  7. Jan 9, 2020 at 8:41 PM
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    Here is a crop of a larger photo that sort of shows the misalignment spacers. Not the best depiction, but best I could find right now.

    _MG_9052x.jpg
     
  8. Jan 10, 2020 at 1:15 AM
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    different end rod design and spring perch design.
     
  9. Jan 10, 2020 at 5:40 AM
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    It got bumped off, I need to figure out a way to replace it.
     
  10. Jan 10, 2020 at 9:21 AM
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    Hella Hi-Beams
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    It's no secret that the the quickest way to massive numbers of broverlanding points is by adding more lights. Light bars, rock lights, ditch lights, reverse lights, amber lights, raptor lights, camp lights, interior LED lights - you name it, and you can drop a few hundreds or thousands of dollars to make your truck look lit - literally - in daytime photos.

    [​IMG]

    That's not what this mod is about. I mean, it's about auxiliary lights, but it's about how to make them more functional. Specifically, how to make it so that extra light can be switched by both your hi-beam switch as well as a manual switch.

    Like most, when I installed a couple of Hella lights on my bumper (500's at the time, but replaced with 700's after we hit a deer on the way back from Death Valley), I wired them up to a switch that I put on the dashboard. At the time, I just used a simple push-button switch, and whenever I wanted the additional light that the Hella's afforded, I'd press the switch and voila!

    [​IMG]

    Life was good for all of about three uses. It was at that point that I realized that I almost always wanted to turn on the Hellas at the same time I turned on the hi-beams - almost always for night driving on the freeway, so I could stand a little better chance at spotting a deer before it jumped out in front of the truck.

    That was over three years ago! And I've done a lot of night driving since.

    With a few other projects I've been procrastinating even more than this one, I figured that today was the day to finally make things right. But before I get into the details of the job, let me outline a bit about how the electronics here work.

    Relays

    Nearly all automotive lights - whether they are OEM or aftermarket - are not switched directly from the battery. That is, there's not a wire that runs from the battery to a switch, and then to the light, and then back to the battery (ground). Doing so would cause a lot of current to flow through the entire circuit, and that can cause the wires to overhead - leading to a vehicle fire. No good!

    [​IMG]

    Instead, relays are used. A relay is essentially a second switch in the circuit, and it's turned on/off using an electrical signal - usually from a switch in the cab of the vehicle. That allows the circuits in the cab - where we especially don't want fires - to have less current flowing through them, and for the larger amounts flow through larger wires that are in the engine bay.

    Normally, an auxiliary light is wired directly to the battery as shown in the diagram above - allowing the user to flip the switch whenever they want in order to turn on the lights. But what I needed was a way to have two switches control the lights - one that would turn them on whenever and one that would turn them on only when the hi-beams were on.

    And that meant that I needed to find a wire in the truck that only had power when the hi-beams were on. Diagrammed out, it needed to look like this:

    [​IMG]

    Luckily for me, I found that wire. On a 96-04 Tacoma - as well as many other vehicles - there is a wire specifically for hi-beams going into the headlight. So if you find yourself in a similar situation, here's how to install a switch that allows you a bit more control over when your auxiliary lights turn on!

    To get started, I needed access to the electrical connector going into my driver side headlight. That meant removing the battery and disconnecting the plug - simply by pulling it out. Then, after cleaning off the wires so I could better identify them by color, I found the black+yellow wire, which the wiring diagram for my truck indicated was for the hi-beams.

    [​IMG]

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    With the wire accessible, I used a wire tap/splice to connect a new length of wire that I ran back through the engine bay and through a grommet into the cab.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    From here, I hoped I'd be able to simply remove the ON-OFF toggle switch I'd been using and connect the new ON-OFF-ON (SPDT) switch I planned to use now, but alas - the space behind the dash was too tight to pop out the switch. So, dash disassembly (see Removing the Dash Trim) was required.

    [​IMG]

    With the dash removed, I was able to get the old switch out and connect the new switch to the two existing wires - one of which went to the relay, and the other directly to the battery - and then the third, new wire, that I'd just installed. The wire that would supply power only when the hi-beams were on.

    [​IMG]

    With that, all the hard work was done and it was just a matter of installing the switch into the existing hole, putting the dash back together, and re-installing the battery. A quick test showed everything was working exactly as it should - the hi-beams now also controlling the Hellas.

    Success, mostly. 'Cause well, I did have this left over at the end of the project, and I know just where it goes. :facepalm:

    [​IMG]

    Something to take care of the next time I remove the dash.

    Update as of January 10, 2020

    So, the new switch is working great when the headlights are on! When the low beams are on, the Hellas are off; when the high beams are on, the Hellas blast the light forward as well. But - and you knew there was a but coming - I do have an issue that I just can't explain.

    When the truck warms up and the engine is at operating temp, if the switch controlling the Hellas is in the "come on whenever the brights are on" position, the Hellas also come on when the parking lights are on - that is the headlights themselves are completely off. Somehow in this state, enough current is flowing through the circuit to trigger the relay, or the resistance of the relay when warm is reduced, causing it to flip on.

    I don't drive around with just my parking lights on that often, so it's not a huge deal, but it's something I want to get to the bottom of eventually.
     
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  11. Jan 10, 2020 at 9:57 AM
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    Judging by your wiring diagram and the fact that this works as intended (other than the but...), you have Daytime Running Lights?

    Daytime running lights work by sending half the power (around 6v) to the high beam. When you are turning your running lights on, I'm guessing you are getting some sort of voltage change on the DRLs and it activates the aux lights.

    Most 1st gens don't have DRLs so the headlight wiring is ground switched. Wiring in an aux light won't work the way you have it. I had to use a relay to get 12v from the high beam circuit to feed my SPDT switch. This then goes through a relay in my Bussman Relay Box.

    EDIT: WAIT, I just reread your first mod post where you disabled the DRL, but in this post you show the same switch being replaced for the hellas. Did something change since then with your DRL? This definitely has to do with your DRL circuit.
     
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  12. Jan 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM
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    Interesting! I never thought about it being DRL related, but it definitely could be.

    Currently, my DRLs are "permanently disabled" in that the W-G wire here is disconnected - that is, the wires that used to go to the DRL switch (which you noted was in the same location as the new switch) are now just buried behind the dash, disconnected.

    Looking at the diagram below now, it seems like I probably should have disabled the DRLs at the W-B wire prior to the D9 DRL relay, or have perhaps just removed the 7.5 DRL fuse. :)

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Jan 10, 2020 at 10:36 AM
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    ew gross a wire tap..
     
  14. Jan 10, 2020 at 10:41 AM
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    Judging by the wiring diagram, it looks like if you pull the fuse your headlights wont work.

    I found this TSB about disabling them, looks like you should remove pin 2 (B-O) from the D8 connector. This is the GAUGE circuit power to the relay.
    (taken from here: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/disable-drls.70500/#post-5061129)

    You could test the functionality by pulling the gauge fuse. This will obviously remove power from a lot of things on the dash, but I don't believe it will affect the headlights.

    I'm not sure why people in that thread keep cutting the G-W wire. I would trust the TSB more than what "works". There is obviously some circuitry inside the DRL module that is still routing power to different places. I'm not sure what those symbols mean other than the diodes.
     

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  15. Jan 10, 2020 at 11:30 AM
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    OK, like I haven't seen under Frank's hood. :luvya:

    Thanks, I'm going to look into this! Hadn't seen that TSB before.
     
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  16. Jan 10, 2020 at 12:24 PM
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    The wiring needs cleaned up for sure. But you will never ever see a wire tap. I solder everything :cool:
     
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  17. Jan 10, 2020 at 12:38 PM
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    the way you were thinking of doing it in the daily is correct, and also how I'd do it. You'd use the ground switching of the standard harness.
     
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    Crimping>soldering for applications where there is movement/vibrations. It can be just as strong, and no risk of cracking like a solder joint can. Read about airplane wiring.
     
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    If you have DRLs or did and the wiring is still there, then your wiring will be like @turbodb. Basically everything I said in the other thread is wrong for you, lol.

    You actually have a 12v+ switched headlights with DRL. That actually makes it easier since you can just get a 12v+ off the head beam circuit. You may run into a similar issue just like @turbodb, so I suggest looking at the TSB and seeing if you can remove the DRL the "correct" way.
     
  20. Jan 10, 2020 at 12:55 PM
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    85 vs 86 doesn't really matter, just remember that your high beam trigger with be 12v+ instead of ground. That will be B-Y at the LH headlight. The other pin of the relay goes to ground.
     

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