Alignment

Now I really wish I did, this should be stickied so people that are thinking of buying these with full 3 inch lifts don't waste their 600.00 and spend 375.00 on Light Racing UCA's? What'cha think @motoxscott ?

 

FYI i think my buddy got ~ 2.7* of caster out of his total chaos uniball uppers and hes right around 3in of lift.

 

Sweet but Uni Balls are different than Ball Joint type bro. But I am making a post about his response for all possible people thinking of purchasing Camburg UCA's for any full 3 inches of lift. Because to me that is bullshit you make no claim that these are for lift up to 2.5 inches.

 

yeah i know the uniballs are different than the ball joint.

Realistically though it should be the same if they were built right..... hell the ball joint style (if everything was identical) should be able to produce BETTER caster numbers as the ball joint is taller, pushing the UCA upward from the spindle and back due to the nature of how the frame mount is angled.

 

Totally agree bro my Camburg's will be up for sale soon as long as someone buys me new Light Racing arms and puts them in.

 

I think some of you are missing the point I made and reading between the lines.

All our arms correct caster and have caster correction built into them. The taller you go with the ride height the less positive caster you will have because of the geometry Toyota builds into the suspension from the factory. We built the arms around a ride height that is 2.5" higher than stock. Thats what every coilover is designed for from FOX, KING, Icon, Sway-Away, etc. Sure you can crank them up more, but that's not ideal. Now if you have an OME lift coil on a 5100 lift shock that is lifting it 3" or more, yes the alignment correction needed will be different. We don't sell that combination of of parts or recommend that much lift for optimum alignment specs and handling.

We have no alignment issues with our arms if they are being installed correctly with the correct parts. Put our arms on a truck that is lifted too high, yes you will be slightly lower on caster, just like you would be with TC arms and any upper arm that is not adjustable. Slightly lower caster doesn't wear tires or components and its not something you can even see. Most would never know the difference between 2.2 and 3 degrees. Put stock arms back on and you will have much lower caster.


- Scott

 

They are installed correctly sir. Why don't you stop deceiving people and put it on the Website that if you want to do a full 3 inch lift that these are not the arms to get. And the a buyer should buy another product as these are strictly for 2.5 inches of lift and under.

 

We're not in the business of deceiving people like you are implying .... but so their is no confusion I will make it clearer on our website.

 

Certainly doesn't state in this detailed description.

We have updated our Camburg performance ball-joint upper arms to now include a MOOG ball-joint pre-installed along with our billet ball-joint cap kit. We've also changed the color to a matte black finish to distinguish the updated design. Since Toyota doesn't sell replacement ball-joints and we're pre-installing the MOOG ball-joints, the arms are ready to bolt up right out of the box and your labor costs and time are lower.

These arms gives many of the same benefits our uniball upper arms offer at a lower cost. The ball-joint arms also hold up better under wet harsh conditions compared to a uniball since it's a sealed & greased joint. With Toyota’s newer chassis, the factory ball-joint is considerably stronger & larger than in previous years. By building an upper arm to re-angle the ball-joint, you’re able to gain more wheel travel with extended length coilovers from FOX, King and Icon and keep the joint in its normal operating range. These arms also correct the suspension geometry by increasing much needed caster which improves handling and allows for a wider range of alignment adjustment. The tubular construction also gives you more tire & shock clearance compared to the weaker stock stamped sheet metal arm.

• 4130 chromoly construction
• CNC bent tubes MIG welded
• Polyurethane frame pivot bushings with grease-able zerk fittings
• MOOG ball-joints pre-installed
• Billet aluminum ball-joint covers
• Matte black powder-coating
• All necessary hardware included and ready to install
• Made in the USA in-house

 

With what you say you're running it sounds like you have more than 3" of lift and why you would be on the lower side of caster. What clip position do you have the lower spring seat set on your Bilstein 5100's? An OME 887 spring isnt even listed to be used for a Tacoma. It's listed for a much heavier newer 4-runner for 2-3" off lift with a heavy front bumper and winch.

We build thousands of these arms with no alignment or handling issues. Shops install them all day long with no issues. You're implying our arms will not work and are wrong. I just dont see that being the case. Im sure you would have the same issues with TC arms and might even with the LR arms. I could be wrong. The point Im making is your setup is not the norm and is a mix of different parts to make up a suspension kit you pieced together. This just seems very isolated, and for whatever reason you're making it very personal in this thread and in others threads.

At this point you've made up your mind of what you want to do and how and that's fine ... but to others reading this, their is always more to the story then whats typed on the internet.

Like I said we have the most arms out there on the market, bar none including huge military contracts on these very same arms with ZERO alignment issues. A truck with 1" of lift can have more caster than one thats lifted 3". That doesnt mean it is wrong.

Im not gonna go back and forth on this because their is no need to.

- Scott

 

Exactly no need to, but it might not be listed on any site but many many people run the OME 887/5100 combo. This is my 5th Tacoma at 3 inches of lift so whatever. But hey you fixed it on the site stating they are not meant for over 2.5 inches. And every time I see someone that's wants to run them I will make sure they know if you go the full 3 inches to buy something else. Mine will be for sale soon and buying a set of Light Racing UCA's as to get a proper alignment with a 3 inch lift. Which is what I thought I would be getting with these 600.00 UCA's. In the end I was wrong

 

Rick, if the truck handles fine, leave it alone.... especially if given the fact that you're going to sell it.

 

But Mike is 0.4 and 0.5 Camber okay? Don't want to chew up tires as I just got new Cooper ST/MAXX oh and I am not selling it anymore

 

I've had experience with my last truck having too little caster, and it sucked. It's definitley not a safe feeling at highway speeds. Truck followed every little imperfection and 'floated' across the road.

 

Confused if I should just leave it alone at 2.7 Caster and 0.4 and 0.5 Camber?

 

This is just me, but I would say if it drives well leave it for now.

 

Okay I'll cancel it for now thanks again Taco Bitches, free fleshlights for everyone.

 

We all get our own dildolights.