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All Things Bikes and Tacos! (...and Now Vans)

Discussion in 'Sports, Hobbies & Interests' started by Gunshot-6A, Aug 10, 2016.

  1. Nov 1, 2021 at 2:53 PM
    levie125

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    My bike is real poppy so I'm not sure if I want one. Might be more beneficial on a bigger bike than my current 140mm (can get 150mm) rear setup.
     
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    Yea, that's one of the things I'm torn about. I like that the Rallon is fairly poppy for a big bike (160mm) but I also find myself wanting to smooth out the chatter on some of the fast desert stuff I frequently ride.

    I've read that the Ohlins coil still keeps a lot of mid-stroke support somehow and thus allows for some playfulness, but it's a lot of money to drop to find out if I like it...
     
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  3. Nov 1, 2021 at 3:22 PM
    DingleTower

    DingleTower My truck is like yer truck

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    Anyone else headed to Kansas in June? I've been deferring since 2020. Like and idiot I only did 145miles 2019. Just registered for 2022

    Can't wait to get down and finish this damn thing.

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  4. Nov 1, 2021 at 5:10 PM
    backcountryj

    backcountryj Athlete - per @ginseng27 Google definition

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    Coils can be poppy and plush…788EE438-3908-4676-A0C3-24CB0ACC312C.jpg
     
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  5. Nov 1, 2021 at 5:33 PM
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    :spending:
     
  6. Nov 1, 2021 at 6:02 PM
    levie125

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    For the cost it better do them both! I want one so bad.. Saw one a couple of months ago for $800 used and I almost pulled the trigger.
     
  7. Nov 2, 2021 at 5:10 AM
    abacall

    abacall Life's too short

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    Carbon bars... meh. Sure, they look good, and maybe offer a touch of difference. But I'd definitely say not worth the $.
    Longer droppers are awesome, and Oneups is a great price for a great dropper. Longest drops, adjustable, and reliable. Easy to spend the $ on that.
    FWIW, I've run damn near every shock option out there... Coil shocks are funny. I've honestly found that air can be just as good, if you have some heft behind you. I'm not heavy (150 w/gear) so coils really make a pretty large difference in terms of sensitivity. BUT, they usually lose some of the poppiness. Unless you get a specific tune for them! The 11-6 is an insanely good shock, and I'd argue worth every damn penny. Especially since you are really getting two shocks in one. They don't have a climb switch, they actually have two different tunes you can switch between and independently adjust as well. I have mine set up for trail mode, and DH mode.
    Another option, for you, is to go to Suspension Syndicate and get an EXT specifically tuned. They will adjust it, tune it, and help you get it dialed in to your bike and riding style. My buddy Rich loves his on his Enduro. Said it completely transformed it into a poppy, lively, and plowable bike.
    The advantage to these two options is that they are transferable between bikes. I know Push will adjust your shock to fit a new frame. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the EXT can also.

    Like I said; with the other off the shelf options, yes this can happen. It doesn't always, since a lot of that depends on suspension kinematics, but it can.
    On my 160mm Spartan, it did. I tried a Fox and MRP. Both made the bike faster, more calm, and so much smoother. But it did lose some pop no matter how I turned the dials.
    On my 140 Troy, the Cane Creek IL kept it's playful character. I think that's easier to achieve on a shorter travel frame since the mid-stroke is shorter and easier to pump off of.

    If you do get a used one, don't forget you need to send to Push anyway for a retune. Resizing is like, $250, I think. And a retune is an additional $150 above a rebuild cost of $200.

    Spendy, yes. And I would not recommend it f you're riding mostly buff and manicured trails. But if you ride steep, loose, chunky goodness the coil will make a big difference. I like the 11-6 so much, that I'll likely only buy a frame if Push supports its tuning for the shock.

    Again, my .02. I tend to notice these things a bit more than others, and I like turning the dials until shit feels spot on. So YMMV.
     
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  8. Nov 2, 2021 at 7:35 AM
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    If I lived close to you or someone I could trust to trail ride with and make adjustments with solid explanations I’d buy one.

    As of now I’m usually a set it and forget it guy.
     
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  9. Nov 2, 2021 at 8:07 AM
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    depending on the bike, a cascade link could greatly change how the bike feels
     
  10. Nov 2, 2021 at 9:59 AM
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    I've actually had multiple friends say that modern carbon bars (designed to flex a bit) took a lot of sting out of their hands on long/rough rides. Funny how different people have such different opinions about bike things.

    I do have a 170mm dropper already and it gets out of the way pretty good, but there's room to fit a 210mm OneUp so I always figured why not!

    The coil thing is so tough! It sounds like you and I have similar riding desires but opposite builds as I'm a 220lb clydesdale. I do believe Ohlins specifically tunes the shock for your bike as well. I'd love to get the 11-6, but that feels like such a huge commitment.

    Maybe I should talk to suspension syndicate, especially since they're local...

    No cascade link for the Rallon. However, Orbea did release their own updated link that does a lot of similar stuff to a cascade link (+10mm travel and increased progressivity). I added it to my bike a year or so ago and it was a fantastic upgrade.
     
  11. Nov 2, 2021 at 8:38 PM
    SoCal_Erik

    SoCal_Erik Tiki Taka, Tika Taka

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    If you live in Orange County, think about coming out to this. Cool way to support our local trails!


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  12. Nov 3, 2021 at 5:12 AM
    abacall

    abacall Life's too short

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    For sure they do, a bit. Kinda like finding the right grip does. But the same $$ can be dumped into a better fork (or tune for it), and that would take more of the sting out and add better trail performance. The biggest change I've had to sore hands is swapping to the ACS3 on the Fox 36. Riding it back to back with the Float 36 (same G2 damper) is eye-opening. Unfortunately, the ACS3 is only available for the 36 and Lyrik.
    Have you considered going to the 38? For your weight and riding style, I'd bet that would make a huge difference. If you put the same $ for carbon bars and sell off your existing fork, you'd get close. Looks like BC has it in stock, and they just released their 20% off...
     
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  13. Nov 3, 2021 at 7:56 AM
    SenatorBlutarsky

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    I think about a 38 all the time!

    My buddies are actually both on ACS3 Lyriks and one of them has a push 11-6 too. Very swanky bikes!
     
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  14. Nov 3, 2021 at 8:16 AM
    Pablo8

    Pablo8 The Watusi

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    Ok I bought the other one as well. Pretty decent correlation. Same tire. Easily operator, valve, order, time, temperature, angle error of 1 psi.:thumbsup:

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  15. Nov 3, 2021 at 8:22 AM
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    Nice, glad to see they are both close.

    I'm on a 27.5+ bike, I run 18f/19r or about 18.5r if I'm a little slimmer. I like the low psi gauge.

    I have this gauge for my cars/trucks. I'm a tire pressure snob in everything.

    https://www.amazon.com/Accu-Gage-Professional-Pressure-Protective-Straight/dp/B00GWTAAIA
     
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  16. Nov 3, 2021 at 9:13 AM
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    SoCal_Erik Tiki Taka, Tika Taka

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    i have the same gauge. Works great and has lots of positive reviews.
     
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  17. Nov 3, 2021 at 9:34 AM
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    dang... thats low! I'm always worried about mangling a rim with lower tire pressure. I'm usually in the 28 f / 30 r range
     
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    Oddly I consider the gauge pressure shown there pretty darned hard on my bike - feelwise. Depends on the bike, rims, suspension, weight, style, etc..............fack tire sidewall says 40 psi max. If I went 30 psi, wow!
     
  19. Nov 3, 2021 at 9:39 AM
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    It's a 27.5+ bike, normal.
     
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  20. Nov 3, 2021 at 9:54 AM
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    hmmm not sure how much you weigh but at 210ish I'd for sure large mammal a wheel set or three. I'm living that wagon wheel life though so wtf do i know...
     
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