Any PC Builders Out There?

It's not a heat issue. Intel chips at stock settings will not hold their max boost clock no matter how well they are cooled. For example, a 9700k is rated for something like a 4.7 ghz boost, but under water or a big Noctua it'll usually settle in around 4.1-4.2 ghz over a long use period under high loads like during gaming. That's just how Intel designed the Core architecture and it's why people get a little miffed at the boost clock rating.

AMD boost clocks are a bit different. They are more affected by heat than anything else. As long as you can cool them the chips will hold their boost clocks indefinitely.

BTW this is partially why you can't really compare Intel and AMD chips based on TDP. Intel rates their TDP based on the max heat the chip will generate under full load at the stock clock where AMD rates their TDP based on the chip under full load at the highest boost clock. Big difference there and a bit of an easy admittance by Intel that their chips were never designed to hold the boost clocks stock.

Of course he could go in and manually overclock the 9700k to 4.7 ghz, or maybe a little higher, but he's already said he's not really looking to overclock.

 

I also want to clarify that I am by no means a complete AMD fanboy. I still run Intel in my laptops for the moment and their platform is good. It's just that I'm fascinated by the new competition in the market and looking behind the marketing is really interesting. Intel has done a fantastic job marketing their chips, but the gains for team blue are mostly gone and team red is coming up fast. It's a great time to like PCs.

 

Interesting, I’ll check the run in the attic, it’s a new run with Cat 6 that I installed a month or two ago, I can’t remember if its closer to power than the other runs or not.

 

Shielding on ethernet cable is pretty pathetic. It's designed to combat interference from other data cables but not for protection from runs along 120 volt power.

 

Only on stock settings, right? My 4790K holds 4.7Ghz on all cores no matter how long the load.

 

First off, before I I through anything, I'm not here to get into a dick waving knowledge contest. You like team blue, we get it. I like team red right now. I've given a TW some information to look into the AMD chip. If he doesn't want it he'll enjoy his 9700k for years. Let's keep the discussion clean to help rather than boast.

Enjoy the 4790k. One of the advantages of the wall that has existed for the last decade is that everything from all the way back to Sandybridge is still pretty capable of running games at 1080p. Really the competition since the Zen release has started to push multicore performance over single thread performance, and AMD is pulling away in that category. Now IRL performance is pretty close between the two. Close enough that price matters if you're not budget limited. This is why AMD is starting to catch Intel in independent system builder sales, which is a sign it's time even as an Intel fan to look at what you need/want at upgrade and choose.

As for your 4790k comment, you have automatic overclocking or some MB specifi vendor version of that enabled. Max turbo boost clock on the 4790k was 4.4 ghz.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-4790k-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

The 4790k was a beast. I know tons of people with theirs overclocked around 4.7-4.8 ghz. It's really only limited by it's TIM which is a whole separate Intel beef I have lol.

Intel backing off from boost doesn't mean it'll be slower per core than a similar AMD Ryzen. Intel Core 9th gen is still clock for clock slightly faster than AMD Zen 3 in something like 30% of applications and the rest they tie. So even when the 9700k backs down to around 4.1 ghz it's going to end up in a dead heat with a 3700X holding boost at 4.2 ghz. Both good choices, the multithreaded performance of the 3700X might keep the chip relevant slightly longer at the end of its life that's all.

 

Damn dude. No attitude. Was only talking technical. I'm neither hardcore AMD or Intel fan. Think you need a beer or two...

 

Probably lol. I've been home with the kids for a couple of days. Chasing toddlers frays the nerves.

If anyone is an Intel fan and on a budget they should wait until 2021 to build something big. Intel does have a true multi module design similar to Zen coming around then

 

Damn, good point. I'm not willing to wait anymore though; good thing I'm not building anything "big" by anyone else's standards, haha.

I've had enough of this It's done great for what it is, but it doesn't hold a candle to any PCs anyone I know owns.

Btw, I do appreciate you bringing up the Intel vs. AMD argument; usually shit like this is all flooded by AMD fanbois and holier than thou Intel incels, but you've actually inspired me to do a bit of research regarding the 2 setups. I'm going to stick Intel for this build because... little bit of brand loyalty, not gonna lie. But next computer I'm sure I'll be comparing them as unbiased as I can. AMD has changed a lot since I've gotten into PC gaming, that's for sure.

Makes me miss the days I was playing Dungeon Master and Wolfenstein 3D from floppys on my emachine

 

Screw AMD and Intel. Go Cyrix!

 

Shit, any Cyrix processor that exists is older than I am... lol

While we're at it though, can Mac OS and Windows shove off for Linux?

 

I still have a working Cyrix compatible setup, back when AMD, Intel and Cyrix could be used on the same board.

 

Didn't Via buy Cyrix and use their design in some SOC devices? I seem to remember someone telling me that a bunch of ATMs still use basically a version of the last Cyrix chips.

 

Ah correction. Via did buy out the assets of Cyrex in the end but AMD bought the rights to Geode, which they threw into SOC designs for a few years.

 

Would this be a decent base for a Plex/media server? Am I better off going with Ryzen?

 

That's overkill for a Plex server. I'd look for a first gen quad core Ryzen or X99 Core based Xeon. You won't need 6 cores and you don't need that single core performance or power consumption.

 

This seems fairly inexpensive. I could use my I5-3450 machine to run Plex and just build a new system on a budget with a decent upgrade path (and already an upgrade from the I5 for video editing).

 

Yeah, if you grab a B450 motherboard you have a very good upgrade path. Remember though Ryzen craves good memory, try to find some decent 3200 mhz sticks.

 

Thanks @Sterdog
On another note, how do capture cards work? Can I use them to capture a video signal ( via HDMI) from outside the PC and record it to the HDD?

 

Depends on the card but in general, yes, that's how they work. As long as the signal in via HDMI isn't right protected you can capture, stream, or record it. The card also passes through the signal.