Any truth to this article?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Lada Niva are IFS too? Proof that IFS can be bulletproof?

 

If I "go out and play" and screw something up, fair is fair, I own it I broke it, pay for the fix and have a good laugh. Hopefully no one got hurt badly. No websites will be generated except maybe showing off how much fun I had breaking stuff. That's the "off-road" experience.

If I'm driving down a gravel road to my cottage, some one my Civic can do without spilling my coffee. And my new truck busts in half, well since I was "off-roading" you think Toyota should tell me to man-up and pay for it?

If it starts raining out and Ford focuses and Honda civics are driving around,
I better be able to drive home in a reasonable manner in my truck without a computer frying out and having to hitch a ride in a lowrider.

And with these modern trucks Hydrolocking is not the only very expensive damage that needs to be worried about. with water and that damage happens before the Air intake.



After all driving home in a thunderstorm is driving outside normal operating parameters that our trucks should not be subject to.

You better give a crap what the warranty says and all that fine print mumbo jumbo and pay attention to it. Otherwise car companies will keep scaling down the vehicles to nothing but eunuch- mobiles with no room for your hairy balls to wag around in. Closest thing to an off-road vehicle will be a Honda Ridgline with a 1.3L engine and an eco-tampon dispenser.

If manufactures don't think being able to get wet, climb a hill is important to us, those capabilities will be phased for cost savings so they can add the latest fad or nanny device.

Lol all these American Tacoma owners saying "man up does not matter what the warranty says" wasn't it American Tacoma owners that all got together to start a class action about frame rust?

Frame is made of steel,
you guys got it wet,
it rusted,
obvious,
why all the crying and screaming?
why sue?
Shoulda kept them dry or oil sprayed them.
Your own negligence and lack of common sense were at fault,
not Toyota.

These are general purpose light trucks, I don't expect any more. And what I do get I grin ear to ear about. It's not a rock buggy, Sherpa or dune buggy.

If your warranty is voided and the truck will break down expensively if the truck gets muddy or slightly wet,
You find that acceptable for ANY vehicle let alone a vehicle that is marketed as "off-road".
That's what Toyota has given"authority" to the dealers to say and what you've agreed to.

So don;t wash your Tacoma to vigorously might blow a computer and cost you a couple grand. Might be considered a heavy rain if your garden hose was turned to full.

 

Master heavy tech here. This is the greatest forum ever put to pixels.

 

I don’t quite know what your point is. I’ve never owned a more capable Offroad pickup than my Tacoma, thanks to Toyota’s design and engineering. I’ve pushed the truck to its design limit in mostly stock form, and it’s served me very well. It’s not a rock buggy, or a Jeep, but it’s pretty awesome for a mini truck.

 

Ditto. I've done amazing things off-road in mine, butt I've never gone out to abuse it. I go slow and methodical over obstacles, test water before fording, use spotters when my view isn't good enough.

 

My point is Toyota has used ambiguous wording (weasel words) to make it possible to not take any responsibility for design or manufacturing failures if the truck sees anything except flat roads and sunshine. Out of all the BS the website creator posted he did have a valid point, if your saying I went too deep/ steep how far can I safely go?
Same analogy is getting a ticket for speeding when there are no posted speed limit signs, everyone is going to have a different common sense for what the correct speed should be, 70% will be wrong but 100% gets a fine.

Their realistic answer is going to be bottom of the frame rails or lower and somewhere around 25-30 deg incline.

When they put computer cases on the outside of the passenger area and in the frame rails, so it greatly increases the potential for failure I get a little perturbed at seeing an obvious problem as a Canadian and from working as a reliability engineer in Automotive.

I owned British cars lol so I've lived through the BS of water and electrics and manufacturer's design with their heads up their butts.

Saying that Hydrolocking is the only major thing you have to worry about and not be covered, is like saying IED's were the only worry in the middle east. Nope sorry not even close.

If we as the consumers don't keep letting the manufactures know what we want in our trucks or what they should be capable of we'll be reduced to Youtubing ourselves going over speed bumps at the mall only being able to drive in good weather because the nanny cam safety systems don't work and a top speed of 55mph because that is the most fuel efficient.

Your magnuson morrison warranty act was created because of manufacturers using "weasel words" to deny warranty.
You purchased an aftermarket air filter, then your radio exploded, but since you didn't purchase GM parts as per the warranty requirement, you have to pay to replace your radio.

General rant to the thread,

This thread could have been;
shaken our heads at the website presentation,
realized quickly that to the experienced he pushed it too far,
figured out where the weak points are for water
then figured out ways of protecting our trucks, (lot more to do before you go to snorkles)
figured out at what point these fine truck engines start to smoke,
how long it takes at that angle,
then figured out the different ways of increasing pitch angle or time, (two real common ways of possibly doing this)

Gone out wheeled our asses off and helped tow Jeeps up hills and out of rivers....

But nooooo we run around pointing out all the flaws and dwelling on those, like ADHD five year olds on Meth screaming "he's got cooties" proud of how much shit we stuck on the wall to hide any valid information out there.

Lol Happy Friday

 

Lol

 

I think, on some abstract level, we all agree with you.

 

YeS wE aGrEe WiTh YoU

 

Those are cool cars.

 

Not too deep


also not too deep

 

If all these things were bulletproof there would be no market for catch cans, oil accumulators,dry sumps etc. Take it to the limit and see what you can break. There is more that one Ford, Jeeps etc. with trashed engines from oil starvation due to incline. Toyota is not alone with these issues they are off road but they are not an M1A1.

 

This article could possibly be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

Pull your boyfriends dick out of your ass and eat it. You are an idiot.

 

I spent a good deal of time in England in the late 80's and the joke was "it would be easier to get rid of Margaret Thatcher then a Lada!

 

And how correct that proved!

 

And according to those dash cam videos, half the cars in Russia end up off the road...whether they intended or not! LOL

 

Start a thread with the purpose as stated above? Expecting that a serious technical discussion would evolve from this thread is like pissing in the wind.

I'm trying to imagine how any of this would be practical anyway.

Step 1

Toyota determines the maximum water depth covered under warranty is 12.5" based upon stock configuration, tires at recommended pressure, and truck below maximum payload capacity.

Step 2

Owner crosses 12.5" stream but exceeds the weight limit because of 12 pound baby on board, and fries his electronics.

Step 3

Owner insists Toyota fix the damage under warranty and Toyota says hell no.

Step 4

Owner creates website....

 

As it sits now;

Unless it is a sunny day and dry road, use at own risk, for a vehicle that is marketed as off road.

Practical, well there is the new Ranger that is marketing their ability to survive water.
Once marketing/sales department realizes that is a feature that can affect their sales...
Engineers get some new goals. We get a more robust vehicle.

 

My experience is different from many - I have been driving pickup trucks primarily most of my life, and I happen to think this 3rd gen Tacoma is a pretty sweet ride.


All kidding aside, the that bothers me the most about the jackanapes in question is that he would take a beautiful brand new machine and immediately beat on it.

Such a waste...

 

LOL 100% agree.

Owners taking responsibility for their actions, rarely happens, entitlement runs strong in this generation of younglings.
Sales/Marketing talking about the new "wonder something" that don't do what they say, but not giving a refund or accepting responsibility for misleading has been around before snake oil was a marketable item. Can't let then "weasel" us.

I hate finding out the "Truth" about things after I've bought them, oh I know "Caveat emptor " but...