anyone else’s 6MT feel slow?

Pretty sure that reason wasn’t for drag race times…

 

Ferrari hasn't offered a manual transmission in more than ten years. Porsche hasn't put them in their top of the line 911s for even longer. Porsche acknowledges that some of the "purists" insist on having the manual even though they are slower. Obviously there are Tacoma "purists" that feel the same way. If I were to get a Ferrari or Porsche I think I would be okay with the auto, especially since they are dual-clutch and shift differently than a regular auto. If I were to get another 60s/70s muscle car I would definitely want a manual trans. A truck, especially a daily driver, with a manual? Not for me, but if more work, slower, and less mpg works for you that's great.

 

True manuals have become the slower choice in vehicle transmissions. I can see the desire for the manual offroad, and of course if that's what customer wants. I can't see myself ever driving a manual again out of choice.

 

anyone else’s 6MT Tacoma feel slow?

Yes. It’s a Tacoma. Push the skinny pedal.

/thread

 

C/D tests of different vehicles on different days/different tracks make comparisons difficult. TFL tested a Ranger Raptor vs Tacoma Pro (in Denver) and it was 14.83 vs 16.05. The Ranger had the Ford tune and was running premium gas. From other TFL testing, the tune took 0.6 off of the 1/4. Without a tune and both on premium (or both on regular) and the difference would probably only be 0.5 - 0.6s. That's good enough for me, I didn't buy a drag strip truck and it's hot in Tucson so I enjoy my ventilated (and isodynamic) seats.

TFL also did a 4R Trailhunter vs a 4R OR non-hybrid. Even though the TH was 650lbs heavier, it walked away from the OR.

 

This is incorrect.

 

I will concede that the limited production GT3 RS, which is basically a track car, is more expensive and therefore "top of the line". But it's not as fast as Turbo S.

 

For the current 992 generation,
The GT3RS available only with PDK.
But the S/T and the GT3 Touring available in manual. Also the T, but that's a "regular" 911.
Try buying one of the first two and you will be waiting until the week after never, because there is so much demand. Even the T is scarce.

In the 991 generation, which ended only 5 years ago, nearly every model was available with a manual shifter, save the Turbo S and the GT3RS.

 

The cope is worse than I suspected. In a thread with a Tacoma 6MT question, we've gone so far afield as to bring up Ferraris and Porsches - to finally discover that there's a YouTube video of a 4R hybrid beating a non-hybrid.

Somehow I'm missing the Tacoma discussion, but at least there's hope for some that if C/D takes their Tacomas to a high enough altitude, the hybrid will be faster.

I wonder if those fancy active seats soothe the butt hurt of spending more to get a slower truck.

 

You conveniently forget post 22. You brought the trash talk into the discussion.

 

Maybe if you try harder you can use the word "cope" and mention the seats 3 times in the same thread

 

OP stated he was disappointed with the 6MT acceleration. I advised him that the auto was faster. Some people spread misinformation, like hybrids are slower than non-hybrids, so maybe he wasn't aware that the other transmission option provides better acceleration. When I posted about hybrids vs non-hybrids, you didn't provide any facts/data to contradict me instead you went with insecurity, mall crawler, and coping meme comments.

 

Why change what works? He’s already crying about “personal attacks”.

 

Oh poor innocent misunderstood you…

If you can’t take it (which is obvious), don’t dish it out.

 

You're acknowledging that you're posting just for provocation. If you can't argue the facts, pound the table and yell.

 

*yawn*

 

Final Call: 2017 Chevrolet SS Manual Tested!

The Chevy SS Manual was faster and more fuel efficient than the AT version, those were pretty cool cars, wouldn't mind having one.

 

Pro needs a ttv6, and TRD and up 4R needs a ttv6 option. I don't think people would buy the hybrid given a ttv6 option. If I ever get a 4G it will probably be the 228hp SR, because the SR5 Xtra cab is difficult to find.

I'd really like to see more runs with RR vs Pro, and Pro Tacoma vs non hybrid TRD Tundra. I don't think there's anything wrong with the hybrid, and it's going to be quicker off the line vs non hybrid. Might as well get some 2.7 Ranger runs against the 3.0 RR to see how far apart they are.

I don't even mention the turbomax from GM anyone testing them against the competion for acceleration? GM's 2.7 puts out the most hp and torque compared to 2.4 nonhybrid and the 2.3 apparantly I'm not too interested in GM, is anyone else?

Edit

Is a drag race really a good way to gauge turbo engine performance? You're getting your 0-60 times and it's a fair starting point for both contenders. What about when you are already rolling and you're still in the RPM range to make that low end turbo torque, like real world driving? I don't know when the hybrid assist has reached its beneficial stage of off the line dominance, it might still prove beneficial in that low to mid range? Only the drivers of the hybrid can awnser that one.