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AR-15 BS Thread

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by BulletToothTony, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. Jan 7, 2019 at 12:53 PM
    Mike330R

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    Say what?
    He has close to 100 CNC machines and claims it's all made in house.
    Got proof?
     
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  2. Jan 7, 2019 at 1:13 PM
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    Wish I did.
    I worked with SMOS briefly (not a fan), I saw their mold for the Larue lower with my own eyes. Said "Made in Texas" on it and everything. That is the only proof I myself saw, they claimed to produce a lot of Larue's parts but then again their business practices have come in question before so that could be inflated.
    They also produce Q products, once again their lower receiver at the very least. They also did everything for Noveske for a long time before they had a falling out.

    The firearms industry is a strange one. There's very few people that actually make firearms and firearms parts, most are just paying a machine shop to produce their product... nothing wrong with that, just strange to me. Especially when one company will claim to be far superior when their products came off the exact same machines with the exact same materials as the next guy, who's charging half as much.
     
  3. Jan 7, 2019 at 1:15 PM
    Mike330R

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    Ahh yes, they used to have lowers made from someone else but that was quite a while ago IIRC.
     
  4. Jan 7, 2019 at 1:22 PM
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    Well there you go. Like I said that's the only part I'm 100% on, the rest is he said she said.
    It's so difficult to actually zero in on things like that sometimes. For instance, both SMOS and Noveske swear up and down that it was the other companies fault and both claim they got screwed. Judging by SMOS' track record I would think the former, but I think there's few people that actually know the truth in situations like that. Companies don't want you to know where their parts come from, so they're pretty secretive about anything that has to do with it.

    Speaking of Noveske, the only thing they've ever made in house to my knowledge is barrels. I've never drank the Noveske coolaid myself but it's funny the cult following a company has that is basically a marketing company that makes barrels :notsure:
     
  5. Jan 7, 2019 at 1:27 PM
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    Larue & SMOS was a long time ago. It's all made in house now as far as I know.
     
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    I saw the mold last year, I doubt it was THAT long ago.
     
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    TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if they farm out the base work to other companies before doing finishing/refinishing/QC work to make sure it's up to snuff. If SMOS does the bulk machining, but Larue does the fiddly low-tolerance stuff that actually improves fit and function, then finishes with a nicer process or finish, did SMOS make that lower, or did Larue?
     
  8. Jan 7, 2019 at 1:53 PM
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    5-6 years ago.
     
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    Well I don't know why they'd have a 5-6 year old mold sitting with the rest of their current workload, but who knows. No point in arguing.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2019 at 2:25 PM
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    Agreed on no arguing just trying to make sure mis-info isn't getting spread.
    You originally said 'most of their products' but it was just their large frame lowers 5-6 years ago.
    At that time more of their products may have been farmed out but it'd be the 1st I'd heard of it.

    They have a large operation:
    https://www.larue.com/page/machining-operation-tour/
     
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    "Most" was what I was told by the manufacturer, the lower mold was the only proof I saw, and it was a small frame lower (15) not a large frame (10). Maybe there's more to it than you or I know :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Jan 8, 2019 at 3:43 PM
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    Always wanted to see what the BCM hype was about so I got one, I always used Aero Precision.

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    The hype is true :thumbsup:
     
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    Looking for opinions! I don't currently own an AR, but really want to change that.. Prices on AR's chambered in .308 are crazy high, so I toyed with the idea of building my own over the span of however long to not have to drop a huge amount all at once. I've seen "budget" builds out there, some swearing by them, some completely trashing them. To your TW AR thread professional knowledge, what should I reasonably expect to pay if I were to build an AR .308 that was super reliable and accurate? Rifle will be primarily for deer hunting.
     
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    PSA sells complete uppers for ~400-450 with a basic build kit. Add in a lower for ~100-150 and you would have a rifle that is going ot run just fine and be good for deer hunting.

    it wont be anything fancy, or the most accurate, or whatever but it will work just fine and kill a deer. (and still be decent for group shooting). And in the future you can change out handguards, triggers, stocks, ect to suit your needs.

    Both my dad and I have PSA 223 uppers and they have been reliable and great.
     
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    Thats been my dilemma. PSA seems to be the best go to option for building yourself, but I hear so many mixed reviews about them.
     
  17. Jan 9, 2019 at 8:38 AM
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    If you are wanting to build it from the ground up it can be a bit more complicated with the DPMS or Armalite patterns and possibly not having everything work together. Im talkings stripped lower, barrel, type building.
     
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  18. Jan 9, 2019 at 8:40 AM
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    I've not built one before, so I'd likely buy a complete upper and complete lower.
     
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    I hope so, gonna take her out this weekend.
     
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    Arm braces are akward, hard to shoot with, expensive, and in summary, they all look ridiculous. From a functionality standpoint, I prefer the far less mall ninja-y foam covered buffer tube.

    Edit, you can also put a front grip on an SBR.....
     
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