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AR-15 BS Thread

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by BulletToothTony, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. Jan 9, 2019 at 9:37 AM
    95 taco

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  2. Jan 9, 2019 at 10:01 AM
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    You can definitely spend some $$ on them thats for sure! Mines a 308 though. Not ready to go 6.5 yet
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  3. Jan 9, 2019 at 10:26 AM
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    Buy an upper here:
    https://www.larue.com/products/larue-ultimate-7-62-260-6-5cm-upper-kit/

    Then buy their lower.

    $1400ish total.
     
  4. Jan 9, 2019 at 1:10 PM
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    Stop it! I have a bunch of different .308 ammo, but no .308. My wallet cannot afford, but :drool:
     
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    have you tried a SB brace? Also if your overall length is at least 26" you can put vertical fore grip on it.
     
  7. Jan 9, 2019 at 6:11 PM
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    I have! And its ok as a "stock". Not my favorite by any means but they get the job done. I still prefer SBR's though.

    We should get out and compare our mp5 clones. SBR vs Braced :)
     
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  8. Jan 9, 2019 at 6:12 PM
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    No. I don't think I have shot an SB. How do you measure 26"? Even in the most creative measurement scenario, i think I'd need an 11-ish inch barrel. No bueno, my longest SBR bbl is 8.5". Easier to just buy a $29 stock, send $200 to ATF and not wrack my brain...... But, then again, I don't live in CA or NY
     
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    I’d recommend buying the complete upper, but building the lower. You can get all the info you need to build the lower just from YouTube videos. AR10s (308) have a tendency to be finicky with cycling issues so you have to know what you’re doing when assembling the upper to avoid those problems. Ar15s don’t give a shit and you can pair garbage parts with high dollar parts and most will run just fine for years.
    The lowers are assembled the same way for the most part on both platforms and all the moving parts are fool-proof. You can probably build a really nice lower for the price you’d pay for a complete one rather than buy complete and swap parts later on.

    Edit: meant to quote @InfernoChalupa

    But x2: what you said.
     
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  11. Jan 9, 2019 at 7:39 PM
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    I believe over all length is measured with the stock fully extended. 8.86" barrel on my MP5 with SB brace is a tad over 26". I understand that it's much easier to cross state lines with a pistol. I'm sure I'll SBR sometime in the future but this is working right now.
     
  12. Jan 9, 2019 at 8:31 PM
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    ya man anytime, that would be fun!
     
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    Extended but not includeing any removable muzzle devices. If pin and welded then you can count it (for muzzle devices)


    GF leaves for AK for ~4 months Feb 1st soooo any time during then pretty much.
     
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    Incorrect. That is the method for measuring with rifles. With pistols, it's measuring it's shortest possible functioning length. You measure from the end of the buffer tube, to the end of the barrel (or pinned muzzle device). Stupid, I agree. But it is what it is.

    The shortest possible barrel length you can get to meet the 26" overall length requirement for a VFG is a 10.5" barrel WITH a Law Tactical folder on it. A bit of grey area since the firearm can technically fire once with the brace folded, at the risk of damaging the firearm. The shortest length without the Law Folder is a 11.5" Barrel.

    Another problem. If the AR or whatever platform was sold as a pistol and not a "firearm" (as most stripped receivers are sold as), then you can never put a VFG on it, no matter the overall length. Another grey-ish area (seriously, this is way down the rabbit hole). Basically if the firearm is over 26" in overall length without a stock (ever) it is considered a "firearm" and nothing else, you can put a VFG on it. You cannot go back and fourth with designations. Just like if a receiver is designated as a "rifle", you can't just swap the stock for a brace and throw a short barrel on there. Once a rifle always a rifle.

    Welcome to the NFA :rofl:
     
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    Yeah, that's a nightmare. No thanks, I'll just fork over the 2 hundy.
     
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    I wouldn't say a nightmare... just a lot of BS to wade through. But once you get it figured out, it's not bad at all.
    Also, its not as simple as just forking out the money for an SBR. There's forms to fill out (or pay someone to fill them out for you), fingerprints to have done (Sheriffs office is the only place in my town that will do them, they require an appointment), and passport photos to have taken. If you go through Silencershop they make the process much easier and only charge you $35 for the service. If you're near one of their Kiosks it's a breeze. Unfortunately they're working out some bugs in the system right now so it is not currently available.

    I have 10'ish AR pistols, and 3 AR SBR's. There's definitely a role for both.
     
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    E Form 1 is back online. You can submit one in 15 minutes. Pre shutdown approvals were taking 2 weeks. You can print yourself. CVS and wallgreens do passport photos for $12.
     
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    Just pointing out that it's not as simple as paying someone $200. There's hoops to jump through, and often complications. I've got 12 Tax stamps, I've been through it a couple times.
     
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    I should just SBR to be safe and then I could get any MP5 stock and VFG. I read that for AR's you measure to the end of the buffer tube because it's the rear most part that is required to function. I'm wondering, on my MP5 if I remove the brace the lower falls off and the bolt falls out the back, so it's a required part to function. LOL

    There is a lot of contradicting information out there.
     
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    And today's "opinion" on how to measure or what to measure may change tomorrow. Case in point, the bump stock. It was ok until it wasn't ok.
     
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