AR-15 BS Thread

There's also the pooping Aero

 

Nothing fancy BCM offset mount with Cloud Defensive switch panel which holds the Streamlight switch way better than the plastic streamlight one

 

send it to me

 

I was thinking the same thing lol

 

I tried to send to to SOTAR to due one of his quality disections on YT but even he didn't want it.

Offered it up on local BST thread if someone wanted it to practice cut down and barrel threading no one wanted it. Failed headspace and horribly inaccurate wasn't something you'd really want to run

No one wanted so went to its rightful home in the trash

With that being said I still like their stripped lowers/ uppers/ builders kits but that's the only thing I'd consider purchasing again

 

Only 3 6 and 9 unfortunately

 

BCM QRF fde 12 blems are up for sale $119.00. Just bought one for myself.

https://bravocompanyusa.com/cosmetic-blem-bcm-qrf-12-quad-rail-free-float-handguard-flat-dark-earth/

 

This topic interests me, so apologies for dredging it up from several pages ago. I'm interested not because I am in posession of anything that requires this knowledge; it's curiosity more than anything (excepting, say, a mild fascination with the way empowered bureaucracies interpret laws under administrative rulings).

If the barrel is 10.5", the overall length is, say, 27.5" (no brace; end of buffer tube to end of muzzle brake, which is threaded, not pinned/welded), 28" (with brace collapsed) and >28" (with brace extended), and the brace truly is one of those velcro strap, open legged rubber things designed to go over/around a forearm...is it an SBR? A pistol? A rifle? AOW? Something else? What if you throw a vetical grip on the rail?

(edit for spelling and grammar)

 

This is probably the simplest way to answer.

 

I think it from the end of the receiver to the end of barrel unless your muzzle device is pin.

 

Well, that's interesting. Thanks for posting that! So, in the hypothetical I posed, it would classify as a "firearm." Unless the ATF decides that rubbery forearm brace thing is not a brace but a shoulder stock, yeah? If they say it's a stock, suddenly it's an SBR. Now I'm wondering what the difference is between a "firearm" and a "pistol." I mean, I own pistols, so I know what a pistol is, but...

 

Pistol is defined as any weapon designed to be fired one handed.

 

Per the ATF:

The term “Pistol” means a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having:

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  • a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s);
  • and a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
  
  Key words being "designed, made and intended...when held in one hand." But you are more accurate holding a pistol with two hands.
  
  So, with the pistol definition an AR pistol, AK pistol, etc are designed, made and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand. But you can (and should) use two hands to make any pistol more accurate.

 

The definition of a pistol has always been flawed. Most all pistols are 'designed' and 'intended' to be fired with 2 hands. Look at the instructions that come with most any pistol, they say to hold the grip with 2 hands. If the manufacturer 'intends' for the gun to be held with 2 hands, it can't fulfill the definition of a pistol, yet they call it a pistol anyway.
The only part of the definition that is remotely fitting is the 'made' part, due to the visual appearance of one grip/short stock. An AR pistol matches the definition as well as any traditional pistol, it's just bigger.
If AR pistols are banned, it won't be because they are less matched with the definition. AR pistols use arm braces now that allow true one handed shooting. If anything, they are actually more fitting of the one handed firing definition than traditional size pistols that are fired with 2 hands.

 

Its ripped strait from the pre civil war era. No one had been trying to one hand pistols in like a century when the atf was written.

 

I've built an AR15 rifle and a pistol. In reading the ATF rules and their definition of rife and pistol I'm wondering how they can say an AR15 Pistol is legal. By their definition a pistol is meant to be used with one hand. Does anyone think they will outlaw the AR15 pistol? It’s coming If the powers that be want to ban AR pistols they likely won’t do it by name but by the way they did it during the 1994-2004 AWB, declare any handgun with a weight over 50 ounces as an “assault weapon.” That’s another reason why we cannot let another AWB get passed. They can define an “assault weapon” any way they like to cover as many firearms as they can and they won’t have to specifically name anything, and you can bet your ass there will never again be a sunset provision.

 

They really can't, what a pistol or rifle is, is to clearly defined. They cant actually change the law, just enforce it. The most they could do is redefine it to an other like CT other ARs. Others are already outside the ATFs control as per the written law. The only way they could outlaw it is to call it a rifle, and then regulate it as an SBR, but to be a rifle it MUST have a stock. Even if they define braces as stocks they still couldn't touch a pistol or other without a brace. They could try it, but it wouldn't hold up in court. They would need to pass new laws through congress to really do it.

 

ATF does what ever the ATF wants. I understand the process but that has not been followed by the ATF since the 30’s when this shit was written. Remember, the NFA was written during the 1930's. ATF plans on banning pistol braces and changing what a pistol is therefore banning a AR pistol and others by weight, over all length and calibers from what I am hearing at the moment.