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Tacoma 2.5" x 12-14" Shock Relocation 2005-2023 2nd 3rd gen Archive Garage

Discussion in 'Archive Garage' started by ARCHIVE, Nov 8, 2017.

  1. Jun 8, 2018 at 10:48 AM
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    Testing side load on the Archive Tacoma shock relocation towers. Estimated load is ~1,200 lbs (rear axle weighs about 2,000 lbs level) which I estimate would require about 10,000 lbs of shock force vertically to achieve when mounted, something that will likely never get close to happening

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  2. Jul 13, 2018 at 3:49 PM
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    Hey Eric, I know it's been discussed somewhere (but I couldn't find it) about the use of 2.5 bypasses in the shock relocation tower. I know you have to run remote reservoir, but is that the only limitation or are there tube layout restrictions? I'm currently looking at these Sway-Away 2.5x14 bypasses with the RR option from Accutune and was wondering if they would fit. Want to buy once, cry once, in prep for a 2+ kit up front. I have your hammer hangers with the 4.9 shackle ready for install as well.

    http://accutuneoffroad.com/product/sway-a-way-bypass-shocks/
     
  3. Jul 13, 2018 at 7:01 PM
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    I've never looked into Sway-a-way bypass arrangement, but I recommend looking at tubes forward towards the engine, and remote hose rearward. Do they have a layout chart? Keep in touch, happy to work with you on it, whether it will fit
     
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  4. Jul 14, 2018 at 3:07 PM
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    Hey Eric, just got my kit in the mail this morning and holy crap these are some beefy towers! Iv got 14" 2.5 king smoothies with remote resis, a shackle flip, and medium dakars and i was wondering roughly what angle the axle tabs should be at for the 14" shocks? Thanks!
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  5. Jul 14, 2018 at 3:15 PM
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    Thank you Mark. I estimate the lower tabs would be rotated down about 45 degrees as shown in pic

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  6. Jul 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM
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    thanks! hopefully i can get them installed this week or next. ill post up a picture afterwards. thanks again!
     
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    Oof, long weekend. Hmm, I couldn't find any layout chart for Sway-a-ways after a few googles. It appears, at least from what I've seen in all the pictures and installation photos, that they put the two compression tubes on the outside, hose rearward, but they tuck the rebound tube behind the reservoir fitting, which when sold in a left and right configuration is on the frame side. Like in the picture below. I'd have to call accutune to see if they can order custom tube layouts from SAW, but seeing as they're owned by AFE now they might not do custom layouts. I'm just looking to find an alternative to KING blue (hate that color) that isn't ADS price point (love ADS but I'm trying to add performance for lowest dollar). Bilstein has the whole 9100 lineup but being bilstein it's hard to find any information on them. Any input appreciated, thanks Eric for working with me!


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  8. Jul 17, 2018 at 2:46 PM
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    Good info, but seriously you should look at Fox, they have a top cap that can be rotated, and stainless shafts under the chrome plating. Fox allows custom layouts, King has my favorite layout (tubes forward, resi elbow rearward, so I will call Ryan at Accutune and remind him of our discussion regarding custom King-like layout.

    King does custom colors also
     
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    Yeah I'm gonna take a look at Fox right now, only negative I've heard about them is poor corrosion resistance, but that's minor. Thanks, I know you've been working alongside Accutune so I'll probably order from them or Filthy Motorsports if I go King, since they have a ton of experience with custom orders. The custom colors cost extra from King though. I'm stuck waiting for my old truck to sell before I can pull the trigger on the relocation, bypasses, and I'll probably flip the U-bolts while I'm there.

    Edit: which layout style is from King according to the chart? Looks like style #2 right?
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    Yes, style 2 (for triples, 2 tubes different style).
    I did call Accutune and talked about the Fox custom King style 2 layout, its doable, only requires rotating the resi elbow rearward.

    Mounting my Fox triples right now
     
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    Here is a test fit at the worst case scenario of spring under at full droop, as this Deaver U539/540 spring is the farthest forward the axle will get of any spring on the market that will fit in stock front hanger.

    Shock is Fox 2.5"Ă—14" triple bypass hose remote reservoir in standard layout. You can see the hose elbow is not in a great spot, it would be much better rotating it about 135deg to rear quadrant toward rear bumper, which as I mentioned I confirmed with Accutune as possible.

    The longer compression tube (middle tube) elbow gets to about 1/2" from tower.

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  12. Jul 18, 2018 at 4:53 PM
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    Good to know about Fox layouts, thanks. I've priced out the fox setup and king setup setup with the bypass tubes forward and even after custom fittings and anodizing they end up being cheaper than what Fox asks before any custom work. So I'm thinking I'll probably be going with King unless I can find something cheaper with a tube layout that will work. No custom layouts were available for the SAWs?

    That fitment looks pretty good with the rebound tube positioned outward. For best shock clearance, having the tubes face outward away from the frame looks like it would be best, but then clearance with the wheel and tire becomes a problem, correct?
     
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    I didnt ask about SAW layout.
    I'd definitely shy away from tubes outboard towards tire, you'd need a lot of spacer.

    Are you leaning towards an expo rig or prerunner rig? Ryan at Accutune doesn't love bypasses for expo rigs because of handling with a top heavy rig.
     
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    Copy that, I'll definitely opt for the tubes forward style. It's a mid-travel rig, but I'm gonna go 2+ kit up front eventually to take some of the go-fast and washboard zones a bit better over here in CA (not to mention our roads are rubbish). I'm on OME dakars right now, which I know isn't a super flexy pack, but I might stay spring-over because I have a camper, prinsu, and might have a RTT on top from time to time. I like the tune ability of a bypass and with loads in the bed varying from light to moderate I want control over the damping but I have considered looking at 2-tube bypasses instead. I looked at your Archive-deaver spring and it looks like it has strong performance for being spring over, but I opted for Dakars in the beginning because the rest of the rig isn't there yet.
     
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    @ARCHIVE I was able to score a good deal on some ADS triples. Here are the specs:
    2.5x14" Triple bypass (standard 2 comp, 1 reb.)
    -Remote Reservior
    -King tube style #2 with tubes facing front and reservoir hose rearward (mirrored pair for left and right).
    -Welded lower rod end (for shorter compressed length)

    I had a question about axle tabs. As I stated, I am currently spring over on Dakars, so I'd rather opt for the shorter axle tabs for droop and clearance. However for SUA, how much would the shorter axle tabs limit my uptravel even with a welded/shorter lower rod end?
     
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    Sounds good. The welded lower eye will help. What are the compressed and extended lengths? I need that to give a recommendation
     
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    They're being built right now so I don't have them to measure quite yet, reason I ask is a couple members are going different routes and have the relocation for sale but only with the short tabs.
     
  18. Aug 23, 2018 at 11:00 AM
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    Hey Erice @ARCHIVE, i have a few question on the shock relocation.
    I've got the shackle flip and your SUA kit w/ 4.75 shackles (not installed yet) and looking to go with some ADS 2.5x14 smooth bodies.

    My question is, will the longer axle tabs for a 14" shock hang lower than the Spring packs?
    Also, would i have any issues with up-travel going with this shock and your 2.7" Wheeler's Super bumps

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    Honestly I like the 12" better for the SUA, and the Super bumps are a solid option, the air bumps with #midtravel SUA are sometimes not worth the cost and incessant tapping

    Check out the lower eyes on this post, deep tab option and 14" Fox @23.4"/37.4"
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...a-archive-garage.519625/page-22#post-18487943
     
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