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Tacoma 2.5" x 12-14" Shock Relocation 2005-2023 2nd 3rd gen Archive Garage

Discussion in 'Archive Garage' started by ARCHIVE, Nov 8, 2017.

  1. Aug 25, 2018 at 10:05 PM
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    Just outta curiosity why do you prefer the 12 over the 14 for sua?
     
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  2. Aug 27, 2018 at 10:20 AM
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  3. Aug 27, 2018 at 11:15 AM
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    It comes down to the bed to tire clearance and air bump mounts that limit up travel.
    12" is a good match here.

    If you run my SUA conversion pedastal mounts with Super bumps, they should allow about another 1" more uptravel, or if you have air bumps mounted high, and appropriate wheel arch clearance, then 14" can be beneficial.

    Something to note is that there should be 1" shock travel left when fully bumped with axle level to allow the axle to be at full bump while articulated. So articulating uses up about 1" more travel at the top

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  4. Aug 27, 2018 at 4:13 PM
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    Gotcha. Still saving. Thanks Eric!
     
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  5. Sep 2, 2018 at 11:22 AM
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    Got an archive kit with 2.5x14" triple bypass for sale, brand new in boxes

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  6. Sep 27, 2018 at 7:00 PM
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    Ordered shock relocation and cross tube! Hangers are getting installed Saturday and bypasses are estimated to ship out the first week of next month. :D

    :yay:
     
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  7. Sep 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM
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    What size shock you go with?
     
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  8. Sep 27, 2018 at 7:36 PM
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    Full send because I want these to be the last shocks I ever have to buy. Custom ADS 2.5x14" triple bypasses with welded lower rod end.
     
  9. Oct 1, 2018 at 9:32 PM
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    Eric, do you have to remove the bed to install these?
     
  10. Oct 2, 2018 at 11:59 AM
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    No, it can be done without removing it
     
  11. Oct 31, 2018 at 1:39 PM
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    Running 12" or 14" here. I am going back and forth on trying to fit in 14" instead of 12" and weighing my options without going through the bed (for now). Initially will be a maxed out MT rig. Maybe LT way down the line. Too deep into the MT setup for now.
     
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  12. Oct 31, 2018 at 11:32 PM
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    I still dont really understand if the 14” is overkill or not for these springs. If springs are capable of 12-13” couldn’t a 12” cycle all if that since they are inboard a bit and closer to pivot? Especially since tc uses a 10” for their setup.
    In pictures they look pretty tight. Bump seems compromised and looks to be a bit left in shock at full droop but i guess better than letting shock limit springs. Ive seen a couple of these setups with 14”s so maybe they know something i dont.
    Kinda in the same situation mid travel wise otherwise id do dmz but then thats another 5k up front
     
  13. Oct 31, 2018 at 11:38 PM
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    yah I figure rather not let the shock be the limit which is what I am running into now with my current king OEM 2.5's. Also all depends on which springs you go with. I would not be doing with the TC SUA and looking to keep it SOA and have seen a few different setups where people run 14". You can also run a 14" Short which has about 1" shorter extension but still longer than the 12" counter part. In addition I could run a welded mount at the bottom which would shorten the actual shock but retain more of the extension. Gain a bit more. Trying to see what I can maximize before going with a more involved setup. If it ends up being more of a pain I will work to fit some 2.5x12" and at minimum swap the springs from the current Dakars to a Deaver setup. Well take some fabbing but il go with 14" if it does not limit too much up travel if I keep it under the bed.
     
  14. Nov 1, 2018 at 2:31 AM
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    Dude, why don't you pick up the phone and call me? You're a customer and I'm the guy who can explain my stuff to you, and happy to. Plus I already explained this in post #45.

    TC using a 10" shock is hamstringing anything other than stock springs, and then they strap a 10" shock, welcome to 9" of travel (dont forget the shaft bumpstop) seems stockish. All setups should have limit straps ofcourse. I've cycled the sua springs with Hammer hangers and Archive SUA kit and there is potential for ~13" travel if you use my option 4 pedastal with foam Super bumps.

    The reason I steer people to 12" instead of 14" with off the shelf air bump brackets like TC is that they are low on frame, and gets about 10.5-11" vertical travel before articulating, which requires about another inch of shock shaft, perfect for 12" shocks. That's the biggest complaint I hear about with midtravel SUA "My TC air bumps tap constantly and I need lift".
    Also, 14" is harder to package and set axle tabs, for average enthusiast, 12" is easy to fit, and is still about 20% more than a TC 10" setup.

    Don't buy off the shelf air bump brackets with midtravel SUA. Personally, I feel air bumps are a waste on midtravel and Overland rigs, it's probably bling. I recommend keeping it simple and reliable with my pedastal for foam Super bumps.

    I just had a customer get 13" plus with an air bump by custom mounting the air bumps on the frame. Note, you will need fender clearance.

    Eric
     
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    My bad i had sua on the mind. Just seems like anything bigger than 12” is overkill for any soa pack. I guess if you were possibly going through the bed later and LT you’d have that extra shock available unless youd want 16”s at that point. Buy once cry once type thing (shock)
     
  16. Nov 1, 2018 at 7:14 AM
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    Ha ya i had spoken with you on the phone about standard vs. hd springs in the past when I thought i was closer to purchasing and you were very helpful. Once I really crunched the #s i realized i needed to make some more $ and id call when i had cash in hand so id know exactly what shocks id be ordering next. Also going back and forth on bypasses eventhough accutune tried to talk me out of it. Probably 12” since im trying to keep rear lift height conservative. Every soa setup ive used has lifted my AC crazy high. Wouldn’t want that feeling of being bummed i didn't try bypasses since they really arent too much more than 14” smoothie.

    I always forget that you’re one of the rare people these days that seems takes pride in customer service and really wants to help people and also ive seen the quality in the hangers.

    I would be reusing my old superbumps. I reread #45 and now understand why 14”s are more “beneficial” with this setup (shorter welded rod end I believe) but ill definitely give you a call in the future. I was just confused because I thought 12”s could possibly cycle all of the spring

     
  17. Nov 1, 2018 at 7:42 AM
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    The dilemma is dependent on the leaf pack. Most typical aftermarket Tacoma SOA springs max around 12" travel. My Archive spec spring which is high lift can do in the 14" range.
     
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    Yeah it's tough having an Access cab with no weight, much lighter than DCs. I wish there was a quality leaf pack SOA that worked, the Deaver J66 is too wrappy, I won't even sell it. If you do go SUA, the Deaver light duty u644/645 is the way to go, lift is only about 1.25" with Hammer hangers.
     
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    Old hangers right? With 4.5’ shackles or 4.9”. You dont have to answer ill call you up next time lol
     
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    My relocation brackets came in monday. HUGE hunks of metal. Lol, I gotta ring up DMZ fab about installing since they are local to me, once shocks come in.
     
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