Ask a Mormon...

Skipping from the first page to the last page of this thread is comedy gold.

 

please explain to me this YFZ ranch?

 

First of all, I want to thank you for offering the opportunity to be educated about the Church of Latter Day Saints. I have a couple of real questions. And if this gets locked before you post the answers, please PM me because I've been wondering a few things and the elders that I tried asking said that they cannot tell me, it would be revealing too much.

1. The discovery of the plates and when Moroni came to (Joseph?) happened over 200 years ago. Where are the plates now?

2. Why aren't there any historic public records of any of this happening since it was only over 200 years ago?

3. Why on the main Temple in Salt Lake is there an inverted star on the back (or side) entrance?

4. Why isn't there any crucifix inside the temple, to represent Jesus' suffering?

5. Why aren't visitors allowed in other parts of the temple rather than the visitor area?

6. Why aren't photos allowed to be taken once a temple is "opened for use" - in other words, why are photos only allowed to be taken in a NEW unoccupied temple?

7. Why when being accepted and honored as a new Mormon, is there use of a sheet (wall) that one is pulled through violently?

I have more questions, but I want to give others a chance to ask too. Plus I'm afraid this will get locked with the silliness in here.

 

I think Jeffs is a Fundamentalist LDS, correcto?

 

You know what i do when they come knocking on my door. I tell them i dont have time so usually theyll always give me a brochure. Ill then in turn give them a brochure from my church also. Which i usually find in my trash barrel out by the driveway lol. they dont take the time to read mine so why should i read theres . Ive actually pissed some of them off by doing that also.

 

just found this, sub'd

 

FLDS and LDS are definitely not one in the same. I'm still genuinely interested to hear why you hate LDS(not FLDS) so much, and why you think they marry 12 year olds and live off of the church.

 

Joseph Smith had many wives. He also had relations with his fellow Morons wives also. I'd like to know where those gold plates are also. That kinda thing doesn't just disappear?! To many loose ends in regards to LDS. They remind me to much of a cult. I dont take kindly to there recruiters bugging me at home either!

 

Wow dude. Can't you read? See the post above you.

 

That's a tad unfair. Most of the posts here are more in the line of being sarcastic. Me?...I'm trying to learn here. I am not brainwashed. If I were, I wouldn't be asking my questions. And at this point, I'm afraid the OP won't return and answer my questions.

Oh heck if you want to go THAT route, there's a whole household of illegals near my work and they are fully funded by American taxpayers.

 

Why do mormons have so many kids?

 

Oh.


Okay.

 

Why do mormons have so many kids?

 

Why do Mormons have so many kids?

 

So this is an excerpt in my ESV study bible (which i highly recommend). I'm not saying i believe everyword of these "resources" included in it but they're pretty spot on for the most part. This one basically finds a bunch of flaws in mormon's beliefs

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormonism)

Apostasy and restoration. Mormons claim that “total” apostasy overcame the church following apostolic times, and that the Mormon Church (founded in 1830) is the “restored church.” If the Mormon Church were truly a “restored church,” however, one would expect to find first-century historical evidence for Mormon doctrines like the plurality of gods and God the Father having once been a man. Such evidence is completely lacking. Besides, the Bible disallows a total apostasy of the church (e.g., Matt. 16:18; 28:20; Eph. 3:21; 4:11–16), warning instead of partial apostasy (1 Tim. 4:1).

God. Mormons claim that God the Father was once a man and that he then progressed to godhood (that is, he is a now-exalted, immortal man with a flesh-and-bone body). However, based on the Bible, God is not and has never been a man (Num. 23:19; Hos. 11:9). He is a spirit (John 4:24), and a spirit does not have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). Furthermore, God is eternal (Ps. 90:2; 102:27; Isa. 57:15; 1 Tim. 1:17) and immutable (or unchangeable in his being and perfections; see Ps. 102:25–27; Mal. 3:6). He did not “progress” toward godhood, but has always been God.

Polytheism. Mormons believe that the Trinity consists not of three persons in one God but rather of three distinct gods. According to Mormonism, there are potentially many thousands of gods besides these. However, trusting in or worshiping more than one god is explicitly condemned throughout the Bible (e.g., Ex. 20:3). There is only one true God (Deut. 4:35, 39; 6:4; Isa. 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:18; 46:9; 1 Cor. 8:4; James 2:19), who exists eternally in three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14). (See the discussion of the Trinity in the section on Jehovah’s Witnesses.)

Exaltation of humans. Mormons believe that humans, like God the Father, can go through a process of exaltation to godhood. But the Bible teaches that the yearning to be godlike led to the fall of mankind (Gen. 3:4ff.). God does not look kindly on humans who pretend to attain to deity (Acts 12:21–23; contrast Acts 14:11–15). God desires humans to humbly recognize that they are his creatures (Gen. 2:7; 5:2; Ps. 95:6–7; 100:3). The state of the redeemed in eternity will be one of glorious immortality, but they will forever remain God’s creatures, adopted as his children (Rom. 8:14–30; 1 Cor. 15:42–57; Rev. 21:3–7). Believers will never become gods.

Jesus Christ. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was the firstborn spirit-child of the heavenly Father and a heavenly Mother. Jesus then progressed to deity in the spirit world. He was later physically conceived in Mary’s womb, as the literal “only begotten” Son of God the Father in the flesh (though many present-day Mormons remain somewhat vague as to how this occurred). Biblically, however, the description of Jesus as the “only begotten” refers to his being the Father’s unique, one-of-a-kind Son for all eternity, with the same divine nature as the Father (see note on John 1:14; cf. John 1:18; 3:16, 18; see also John 5:18; 10:30). Moreover, he is eternal deity (John 1:1; 8:58) and is immutable (Heb. 1:10–12; 13:8), meaning he did not progress to deity but has always been God. And Mary’s conception of Jesus in his humanity was through a miracle of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 1:20).

Three kingdoms. Mormons believe that most people will end up in one of three kingdoms of glory, depending on one’s level of faithfulness. Belief in Christ, or even in God, is not necessary to obtain immortality in one of these three kingdoms, and therefore only the most spiritually perverse will go to hell. But the Bible teaches that people have just two possibilities for their eternal futures: the saved will enjoy eternal life with God in the new heavens and new earth (Phil. 3:20; Rev. 21:1–4; 22:1–5), while the unsaved will spend eternity in hell (Matt. 25:41, 46; Rev. 20:13–15).

Sin and atonement. Mormons believe that Adam’s transgression was a noble act that made it possible for humans to become mortal, a necessary step on the path to exaltation to godhood. They think that Christ’s atonement secures immortality for virtually all people, whether they repent and believe or not. Biblically, however, there was nothing noble about Adam’s sin, which was not a stepping-stone to godhood but rather brought nothing but sin, misery, and death to mankind (Gen. 3:16–19; Rom. 5:12–14). Jesus atoned for the sins of all who would trust him for salvation (Isa. 53:6; John 1:29; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 2:24; 3:18; 1 John 2:2; 4:10).

Salvation. Mormons believe that God gives to (virtually) everyone a general salvation to immortal life in one of the heavenly kingdoms, which is how they understand salvation by grace. Belief in Christ is necessary only to obtain passage to the highest, celestial kingdom—for which not only faith but participation in Mormon temple rituals and obedience to its “laws of the gospel” are also prerequisites. Biblically, however, salvation by grace must be received through faith in Christ (John 3:15–16; 11:25; 12:46; Acts 16:31; Rom. 3:22–24; Eph. 2:8–9), and all true believers are promised eternal life in God’s presence (Matt. 5:3–8; John 14:1–3; Rev. 21:3–7).

 

That's to much to read