1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Axle Flip

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by MowTaco, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Oct 11, 2010 at 9:06 PM
    #1
    MowTaco

    MowTaco [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2009
    Member:
    #22530
    Messages:
    3,824
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    South Dakota
    Vehicle:
    03 GMC Sierra
    So I got to thinking the other day... which never ends well. I was pondering lifting my truck and came up with a brilliant idea that I'd heard done on other trucks. Since the 5 luggers are sprung under, could I flip the axle to be sprung over for probably 2-3" of lift? I was looking at it and might run into trouble with where the shock mounts... I searched and didn't really find anything. Please forgive me if this is stupid.
     
  2. Oct 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM
    #2
    Yoytoda

    Yoytoda The Little Truck That Could

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2009
    Member:
    #23690
    Messages:
    4,963
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Roland
    Big Bear,CA / Upstate NY(Saratoga)
    Vehicle:
    2010 Tacoma Regular Cab 4x4
    completely stock
    what about the front?
     
  3. Oct 11, 2010 at 9:09 PM
    #3
    MowTaco

    MowTaco [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2009
    Member:
    #22530
    Messages:
    3,824
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    South Dakota
    Vehicle:
    03 GMC Sierra
    I would probably go with spindles in the front... this is just for the rear.
     
  4. Oct 11, 2010 at 9:12 PM
    #4
    mrp192

    mrp192 REALLY!!

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2009
    Member:
    #13911
    Messages:
    739
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brent
    Cheney WA
    Vehicle:
    98 V6 4x4 limited
    Stereo, boobies
    are you talking about having the leaf spring on top of the axle?
     
  5. Oct 12, 2010 at 4:24 AM
    #5
    Janster

    Janster Old & Forgetful

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Member:
    #1138
    Messages:
    13,815
    Gender:
    Female
    First Name:
    Jandy
    Lancaster, PA
    Vehicle:
    2007 4.0L 4x4 TRD Sport Access Cab A
    Advantage Torza top (tri-fold), Husky floor mats, RuffTuff seat covers, C2C hood struts, Homelink mirror, USA Spec PA15-Toy (120gig Classic & 8gig nano), Garmin Nuvi 660, Protecta Bed mat, Pop-n-lock, TSB Springs, Scangauge II, Heated drivers seat, Fumoto drain valve, Aries pushbar, PIAA 540 fog lights, Hood scoop grahics, Flowmaster 50 series dual catback exhaust, RainX Latitude windshield wipers, Husky rear floor liner (ontop of folded down seats). Console Vault.
    It can be done ...but it'll probably give you more like 5" of lift (guestimate).

    Jeep owners do it all the time on the YJ Wranglers.

    It's not a 'bolt on' type of modification. Do some research.....and lots of it before commiting to it.
     
  6. Oct 12, 2010 at 4:26 AM
    #6
    Kelson

    Kelson My Truck is Cuter than Yours

    Joined:
    May 13, 2008
    Member:
    #6597
    Messages:
    4,592
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Kelson
    Honolulu, Hawaii
    Vehicle:
    08 5-Lug Reg. Cab SR5
    SR5 Exterior/Interior (Color matched Front Bumper, Chrome Grille Surround and Chrome Rear Bumper/Silver Scoshe Dash Kit, A/C Bezel, A/C Vent Surround) LED license plate and white interior lights, Wet Okole Seat Covers, iPad in-Dash, JL CL-RLC, JL 13TW5 sub, JL 500/1 Slash V1 amp, JL XR 6.5 Components, Rockford Fosgate 6X9s in Boxes Front XRunner Coils, DJM Control Arms and Rear 4X4 Leafs, Custom 2" Angled Streetacos.com Blocks Front XR Bilstien Struts and Rear XR Bilstien Shocks, CravenSpeen Antennae, RX-8 Rims w/ Fronts:235/40-R18 Sumitomo HTR Rears:245/40-R18 Goodyear Eagle GT, 35% Tint front windows, OEM Sliding Privacy Glass w/ 5% Ceramic Tint, Flowmaster Super 44 dumped before the axle, URD Short Throw Shifter, Door Sill Protectors, Door Edge Guards, OEM Sport Pedals,The Retrofit Source Morimoto Mini D2S Stage III 35W 5K HID Headlights, OEM Fog Lights w/ piss yellow bulbs, OEM Cruise Control, Porsche 944 Bucket Seats, BeefedTaco Skid Plate, Whale
    x2...imho keep the SUA and just get a leaf pack with more arch
     
  7. Oct 12, 2010 at 4:29 AM
    #7
    Namyo

    Namyo -

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2010
    Member:
    #36165
    Messages:
    14,150
    Gender:
    Male
    forgot what I'm doing here...that gif is bad ass...:D
     
  8. Oct 12, 2010 at 6:38 AM
    #8
    chris4x4

    chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2008
    Member:
    #6497
    Messages:
    104,116
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    FlimFlubberJAM
    Tenoe, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2013 Rubicon Unlimited,
    4.10 gears, sliders, and lots of buttons.
    If you are thinking about flipping the axel "upside down" have the spring perches at the "top" of the axel, think really hard about that.....What direction is the truck going to go when you put it in a forward gear?
     
  9. Oct 12, 2010 at 6:45 AM
    #9
    Matic

    Matic Locked and Lifted "02" DC TRD.

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Member:
    #22436
    Messages:
    9,133
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Greenville,sc
    Vehicle:
    2002 TRD prerunner,SR5, doublecab
    OME 881 coils with OME nitrochargers shocks up front. OME aal with OME nitrochargers out back. Warn 8000 winch with 80ft custom braided synth line. Custom 60ft synth extension. All pro tube bumper, Hi-lift jack, Safari Snorkel, Wilco tiregate.
    lol. Certainly you jest.
     
  10. Oct 12, 2010 at 6:58 AM
    #10
    PreRunnerSeth

    PreRunnerSeth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2009
    Member:
    #21110
    Messages:
    4,201
    Gender:
    Male
    Apex, NC
    Vehicle:
    15 Black DC OR Prerunner
    This is exactly what I'm going to be doing with the Scout. There are a few considerations. You cant simply flip the axle over. You have to cut off the spring perches then weld on new ones on the top. You will want to angle the pinion up a bit before you weld the perches on to correct the pinion angle for the lift. Not sure how the attach points are for the shocks on a 5 lug but you will most likely have to weld on new shock mounts as well. You will need longer brake lines as well. all in all not a really hard thing to do. Doing this procedure on the front of a solid axle 4x4 is a far more complicated process. The rear is fairly simple. I also highly suggest using a certified welder for these kind of critical suspension welds. Not sure about a 5 lug taco, but I will gain 6" or so of lift on the scout with this.
     
  11. Oct 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM
    #11
    afd23a

    afd23a Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Member:
    #9483
    Messages:
    1,811
    Gender:
    Male
    The Dynamo of Dixie
    Vehicle:
    05 Access Cab 5 Lugger
    Factory Fog Lights, Removed Secondary Air Filter, Metra Ipod Adapter, Int Wiper Stalk, Wet Okole's, URD Short Shifter, Scanguage II w/Blendmount, Fat Bob's 2.75" spacer lift, ARE topper, SP Performance Pads & Slotted Rotors, 4.10 gears
    ^^This^^
    I have no idea if there is a way to correct this, but I wouldn't have thought of it unless Chris mentioned it. I don't think you can flip the axle without flipping the third member, but I don't know for sure. I think the bolt pattern only fits one way.

    On a more minor note, the diff drain plug will be located on the top of the axle so you'll have to drill/tap a new one on the bottom.
     
  12. Oct 12, 2010 at 7:39 AM
    #12
    Matic

    Matic Locked and Lifted "02" DC TRD.

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Member:
    #22436
    Messages:
    9,133
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Greenville,sc
    Vehicle:
    2002 TRD prerunner,SR5, doublecab
    OME 881 coils with OME nitrochargers shocks up front. OME aal with OME nitrochargers out back. Warn 8000 winch with 80ft custom braided synth line. Custom 60ft synth extension. All pro tube bumper, Hi-lift jack, Safari Snorkel, Wilco tiregate.
    I think that maybe the OP is curious about a "SPOA" lift as Seth has mentioned.
    I'm currently starting this project on my samurai.
    Basically it's a free lift with a little bit of labor. If you have a "SPUA", you can weld new spring perches on top of the axles. Cut/gring/remove the old perches from underneath the axle and weld new spring perches on top of the axle basically giving you an "X" amount of lift equal to the depth of your axle + SP.
    It's very easy to do. very few measurements and some eyeballing.
    Very common on zukes, scouts and zukes with toyota axles and/or yj springs.
     
  13. Oct 12, 2010 at 7:59 AM
    #13
    Janster

    Janster Old & Forgetful

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Member:
    #1138
    Messages:
    13,815
    Gender:
    Female
    First Name:
    Jandy
    Lancaster, PA
    Vehicle:
    2007 4.0L 4x4 TRD Sport Access Cab A
    Advantage Torza top (tri-fold), Husky floor mats, RuffTuff seat covers, C2C hood struts, Homelink mirror, USA Spec PA15-Toy (120gig Classic & 8gig nano), Garmin Nuvi 660, Protecta Bed mat, Pop-n-lock, TSB Springs, Scangauge II, Heated drivers seat, Fumoto drain valve, Aries pushbar, PIAA 540 fog lights, Hood scoop grahics, Flowmaster 50 series dual catback exhaust, RainX Latitude windshield wipers, Husky rear floor liner (ontop of folded down seats). Console Vault.
    Honestly?

    For the amount of effort (time, $$) you'd put into your 5 lug tacoma to go spring-over axle ( 5" of lift ) PLUS get the front IFS to match the rear.....

    Trade-in your 5 lug and get a Prerunner.
     
  14. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:01 AM
    #14
    MowTaco

    MowTaco [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2009
    Member:
    #22530
    Messages:
    3,824
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Matt
    South Dakota
    Vehicle:
    03 GMC Sierra
    Yes, i would obviously not just flip the axle over. I guess i used the wrong term for it but i am talking about the spring over lift. I actually got the idea from the samurai. Thanks for all the info.
     
  15. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:06 AM
    #15
    Matic

    Matic Locked and Lifted "02" DC TRD.

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Member:
    #22436
    Messages:
    9,133
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Greenville,sc
    Vehicle:
    2002 TRD prerunner,SR5, doublecab
    OME 881 coils with OME nitrochargers shocks up front. OME aal with OME nitrochargers out back. Warn 8000 winch with 80ft custom braided synth line. Custom 60ft synth extension. All pro tube bumper, Hi-lift jack, Safari Snorkel, Wilco tiregate.
    There's very little cost and hardly any effort into doing a SPOA. Not only is it low cost but also adds the benefit of not snaggin jaggies if he decides to do a bit of 2 wheelin.

    Time=8 hrs. A few buddies, pizza, beer
    Cost= a set of spring perches, extended brake lines.
    tools=welder, grinder.
    Sure there's a lil bit more than that, but it's very do able.
     
  16. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:07 AM
    #16
    Beefed Taco

    Beefed Taco Taco Vending Machine Vendor

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2008
    Member:
    #11706
    Messages:
    1,310
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brian
    My Metal Shop
    Vehicle:
    99 Taco
    streetacos.com parts!
    Plenty of options for your 5-lug.....even custom shock mounts for the flip. :thumbsup: btw guys, he's talking about doing a spring over which would leave him with 2 choices, using square u-bolts and 4x4/PR u-bolt plates, or also doing a u-bolt flip too, like in my 3rd pic. It needed to be long to keep the e-brake cable from contacting the shock on the 4x4 model.

    Captured 2004-8-12 00003.jpg
    Captured 2004-4-7 00003.jpg
    Captured 2004-8-9 00003.jpg
    Beefed Handling Kit 00014.jpg
    Frame Brace 00005.jpg
    lead_tacoma-1.jpg
     
  17. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:14 AM
    #17
    Janster

    Janster Old & Forgetful

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Member:
    #1138
    Messages:
    13,815
    Gender:
    Female
    First Name:
    Jandy
    Lancaster, PA
    Vehicle:
    2007 4.0L 4x4 TRD Sport Access Cab A
    Advantage Torza top (tri-fold), Husky floor mats, RuffTuff seat covers, C2C hood struts, Homelink mirror, USA Spec PA15-Toy (120gig Classic & 8gig nano), Garmin Nuvi 660, Protecta Bed mat, Pop-n-lock, TSB Springs, Scangauge II, Heated drivers seat, Fumoto drain valve, Aries pushbar, PIAA 540 fog lights, Hood scoop grahics, Flowmaster 50 series dual catback exhaust, RainX Latitude windshield wipers, Husky rear floor liner (ontop of folded down seats). Console Vault.
    Very little cost & time?
    For someone who's mechanically inclined, has a garage, and all the tools needed to do it..... Sure. But for someone who doesn't have much or any mechanical experience, doesn't have the room (garage), and doesn't have the tools /jacks/lifts/cutting grinding tools - it'll be expensive to pay people to do all the work.
     
  18. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:18 AM
    #18
    Beefed Taco

    Beefed Taco Taco Vending Machine Vendor

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2008
    Member:
    #11706
    Messages:
    1,310
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Brian
    My Metal Shop
    Vehicle:
    99 Taco
    streetacos.com parts!
    hahaha, just bring some pizza and beer and we'll turn that thing into a trophy truck...your $ is no good here....but there better be anchovies and the beer nothing less than Heineken.
     
  19. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:19 AM
    #19
    afd23a

    afd23a Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2008
    Member:
    #9483
    Messages:
    1,811
    Gender:
    Male
    The Dynamo of Dixie
    Vehicle:
    05 Access Cab 5 Lugger
    Factory Fog Lights, Removed Secondary Air Filter, Metra Ipod Adapter, Int Wiper Stalk, Wet Okole's, URD Short Shifter, Scanguage II w/Blendmount, Fat Bob's 2.75" spacer lift, ARE topper, SP Performance Pads & Slotted Rotors, 4.10 gears
    nice shackles, got any for a 2nd gen?
     
  20. Oct 12, 2010 at 8:22 AM
    #20
    Matic

    Matic Locked and Lifted "02" DC TRD.

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Member:
    #22436
    Messages:
    9,133
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Rich
    Greenville,sc
    Vehicle:
    2002 TRD prerunner,SR5, doublecab
    OME 881 coils with OME nitrochargers shocks up front. OME aal with OME nitrochargers out back. Warn 8000 winch with 80ft custom braided synth line. Custom 60ft synth extension. All pro tube bumper, Hi-lift jack, Safari Snorkel, Wilco tiregate.
    Actually, for the scout lift I would just go this route.

    http://scoutparts.com/products/?view=product&product_id=14219
     
To Top