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balancing MO 951's

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by 650H1, Aug 4, 2011.

  1. Aug 4, 2011 at 10:07 AM
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    anyone with moto metal 951's have any problems balancing them? went to the tire shop and they said the wheels were taking a lot of weight, and that they were positive it was still going to shake. i have 285/75/16 load range E duratracs. the shake is not bad, and only occurs from like 50-60mph. just enough to piss me off. they deal moto metals and said they have a hard time with balancing all of them. i think my right front wheel took like 12 oz's of weight... next step is dyna beads. anyone want to chime in?
     
  2. Aug 4, 2011 at 10:50 AM
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    i would say its far more likely that the durtracs are the problem. I would have them checked for radial and/or lateral runout. Duratracs have been known to have those issues occasionally.

    Did the shop "road force" balance them?
     
  3. Aug 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM
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    Look at how yhey balanced them. Are there only weights in the middle of tue wheel or are there two rows of weights, middle and side? Have them balance the wheel with the 2 rows of weights and go from there.
     
  4. Aug 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM
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    i really wanted a road force balance but the tire shop said they didnt do it and that it wouldnt make a difference anyways. the tires are like brand new, maybe 10k miles on them. wheels are the same age. nothings bent, no abnormal wear, they are smooth. when i told the tire tech that they had to balance the wheels lug centrically they said that the wheels can be balanced hub centric (even though moto metal says specifically that they are NOT hub centric). so i went with dyna beads, which in theory should work out ok, but the stupid fucks left the weights on the wheels and said "theory behind that is for low speeds, and it wont matter over 40mph" well it shakes like a son of a bitch right now and ive probably gone 60 plus miles so the bags have had time to open up and let the beads out. the tech said toyotas are very sensitive when it comes to being balanced. im about readyto rip the fucking lift out of truck and put the stock wheels and tires back on and get rid of the god damn thing. before i had them balanced today, they had hammer-on weights on the inside of the wheel, and sticky weights on the end closest to the spokes.
     
  5. Aug 5, 2011 at 4:34 AM
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    Just take it to another tire shop that has a road force balance machine.
     
  6. Aug 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM
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    does that really work? the guy told me it wouldnt matter.. and can you balance the wheels lug centrically with a road force balance?
     
  7. Aug 5, 2011 at 6:31 AM
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    Of course he would say that no shop could do it better than they can. But it sounds like they don't know what they are doing IMO.

    I'm not an expert on the road force balancing so I'm not sure about the lug vs. hubcentric deal.
     
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    Might want yo look into some rings to help make them hub centric
     
  9. Aug 5, 2011 at 8:09 AM
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    What?
     
  10. Aug 5, 2011 at 8:17 AM
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    Road force balancing does make a huge difference. The shop is only saying it does because they don't own a machine, and they don't want you to go elsewhere :rolleyes:

    Road force balancing can detect lateral and radial runout (google it) which some durtracs have issues with.
     
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    Yeah or some lugs with shanks on them to better center the wheel.
     
  12. Aug 5, 2011 at 8:40 AM
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    what did all of you guys do with your moto metals? just a road force balance and its good?
     
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    Alright I'm going to say this for a third time...

    IT IS LIKELY THE TIRES AND NOT THE WHEELS.
     
  14. Aug 5, 2011 at 8:48 AM
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    that doesnt make sense KPT, the tires are basically new dude i understand what youre saying but you dont understand me aparently even though ive said it five times. the wheels are hard to balance because the spokes are almost in the CENTER of the wheel, meaning you cant get any weights far enough to the outside of the rim to balance them becuase they have such a big lip on them, or because they are so deep. do you understand what im saying now? it is not the tires, tires = new.
     
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    Did you google the lateral and radial runout I mentioned twice above? That is an issue from the tire factory, not an issue of wear.

    Did you buy the tires new? Or did you buy them used with the 10k miles on them?

    I personally know two people who were unable to get their duratracs balanced when they bought them new, due to lateral and radial runout, not an issue with the wheels.

    also, tons of people on here have 951's and I've never heard of a shop complaining that they are hard to balance. The shop is just feeding you a line because they don't have the proper tools to balance such an aggressive AT tire.
     
  17. Aug 5, 2011 at 8:59 AM
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    what a pain in the ass
     
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    I was just thinking the same thing about this thread....
     
  19. Aug 5, 2011 at 9:18 AM
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    no in general.. i mean it shouldnt be this hard to balance tires
     
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    So you did buy the tires used, with 10K mi?

    If so I bet that's why the guy sold them.....which completely sucks if that's the case.
     
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