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Battery specs ?

Discussion in '4 Cylinder' started by george3, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. Nov 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM
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    What would be the battery with the most CCA that will fit in our 4 cylinder trucks with out modifications ? Thanks for any info and or recommendations.
     
  2. Nov 28, 2013 at 8:14 PM
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    Interstate Batteries has a 800CCA size 24F
     
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    Thanks for the reply and info Mike.
     
  4. Dec 1, 2013 at 7:12 AM
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    That is the one. I could not get the link to work when I first replied.
     
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    Thanks for your help. I've got a friend that delivers auto parts checking a price for me - hopefully it will be better then the price in the link. Thanks again.
     
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    I realize that this is an older post but I thought I'd contribute a little to this topic.
    As the ambient temperature drops the potential output of a battery drops as well. One way to compensate for that loss is to acquire a battery with a high Cold Cranking Amp rating. By having a high CCA rating there is still plenty of available power, even at very cold temperatures. When you add the fact that cold engines are more difficult to turn over, a lot of excess power becomes more important.
    However, there's another rating that plays a role in battery performance and that's Reserve Capacity or the battery's ability to provide useful power over time. For most applications, reserve power is more important. The ability of a battery to sustain a drain of power and still have the ability to produce useful energy is generally more important than the ability to produce huge amounts of amperage, most of which cannot be utilized.
    Large CCA ratings help to sell batteries because 800 CCA looks better than 600 CCA but it's a misleading number. There's a limit to how much of that current your system can ACTUALLY deliver to the starter motor. If it is 40 degrees below zero a 800 CCA rated battery will have an advantage over a 400 CCA battery BUT if it's 20 degrees above zero and you've left your lights on for 30 minutes; a higher reserve capacity will be the difference between the vehicle starting or not starting.


    Both ratings are important but there's a tendency to give too much consideration to CCA and ignore the reserve capacity rating.
     
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    Ok, thanks for the info. Please check the link and tell me where the reserve power is ? I see the 800 CCA but I don't see the reserve power. Thanks.

    http://www.interstatebatteries.com/...|Toyota_Tacoma|2008_Standard+Battery_L4/2.7L)
     
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    It's not real clear from their webpage but I believe what they refer to as "Capacity" is actually Reserve Capacity Minutes [RCM] and they list that as 85.
    That means that battery is capable of providing 25 amps for 85 minutes at 80 degrees (F) and a voltage of 10.5 volts. That's not bad.
     
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    So if you compared that to say the infamous yellow top..?
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I commend you on your BK [battery knowledge]. Mind sharing how you came to your conclusions ? :confused:
    "battery is capable of providing 25 amps for 85 minutes at 80 degrees (F) and a voltage of 10.5 volts. That's not bad." If that's not bad what's good ? Thanks.
     
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    Reserve capacity is a rating based on the number of minutes a battery can provide 25 amps at 80 degrees and 10.5 volts; that's the industry standard. The number of minutes it can do that is the actual measure of a particular battery [RCM]. So, being able to pull 25 amps for almost 1.5 hours is pretty good, a lot of batteries will not go much past 60 minutes. It's easy to get the CCA high but the real test is how LONG the battery can provide useful power. So, I guess I should have said 85 minutes is pretty damn good.


    And for the infamous "yellow top", I can't say but I understand that the optima batteries made now aren't nearly the same quality as the ones made several years ago. They are however, just as expensive, if not more so.
     
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    Thanks for the info. So this is the one I'm thinking of buying. Do you have a better suggestion ?

    http://www.interstatebatteries.com/cs_eStore/Content.aspx?dsNav=Arpp~12,A~Part+Number,N~21-2147384885-4294492818-4294492832-2147384903,Nr~AND%28P_unique_id%3aMTP-24F|Toyota_Tacoma|2008_Standard+Battery_L4%2f2.7L%29

    Call in automotive talk shows are pushing powerframe technology. Do you think it's worth the extra $$. It's a Johnson Control thing - they make a good deal if not most of automotive batteries under various labels. Thanks.

    http://www.powerframe.com/us-en/faq#q5
     
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    Well so far the Yellow top in my truck seems to be holding up quite well. Although I must admit that I ran across the battery when I was needing one and Advance Auto was cleaning out old stock on their optima batteries. The battery I have was new but had been sitting on the shelf for a year. I paid the used battery price which was ~$57 OTD.
    I can't speak to the quality difference because I know we have red tops here at work that are 10+ years old and are still performing pretty well. Although one major benefit I have seen is no liquid acid. Which equates to no corrosion on battery terminals and battery hold downs etc.
    To be honest a good quality battery will cost you $120 these days and a Red top runs $189. To me that's really not that much more to pay for a much higher quality battery.
     
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    At $57.00 you did great! Optima's are good batteries but not worth $189.00! According to the owner of a local battery shop, Optima changed their design a while back. He still carries Optima but no longer recommends them. He could sell whatever he wanted and people around here would buy them but he's an honest man and I think he knows what he's speaking of.
     
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    That Interstate battery has good specs but I can't speak to their actual track record. I usually buy one of the off-brand commercial batteries that are made by Johnson Controls. Although there are dozens of battery brand names sold in the U.S., there are only a handful of battery manufacturers in the U.S. , Johnson Controls being one of them. The producers simply put different names on the finished products.
    Interstate battery has a huge distribution network and aggressive marketing; therefore they have a large share of the market. As to the actual quality of Interstate batteries, It's been so long since I've used that brand I can't give an opinion.


    The powerframe stuff just looks like a different method to produce the plates, rolling vs. casting. Maybe that makes them more resistant to vibration and corrosion. I don't know but I wouldn't pay more for it.
    I will say that heat kills batteries faster than cold but we tend to notice battery failures in the winter because the reduced temperatures reduce the actual output. In other words, a marginal battery that still appears to work in warm weather will fail in cold weather. It was just as bad in the summer, you just don't notice it.


    Batteries have become vey expensive, largely due to the increased cost of lead and processing lead. You can thank the environmental wanks for that !
     
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    And just so you don't think I'm bashing Optima, they're made by Johnson Controls Power Solutions. They're just expensive !
     
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    "I usually buy one of the off-brand " So you would say the best at Walmart, Costco, BJ's etc.?
     
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    If you want to go cheap then just go to your local interstate and tell them you want a "Blem". Short for blemish, these battery's have some sort of defect that they have deemed them unable to be sold at retail. They only come with a six month warranty. But if they have your size in a blem then you can usually get out the door for about $35.
     

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