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Bent axle housing? Alignment issues?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by DangerNut, Jul 25, 2019.

  1. Jul 25, 2019 at 12:47 PM
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    DangerNut

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    Update 1: jacked up the rear of the truck and loosened all u-bolts in a quick attempt to straighten the rear axle and zero my thrust angle. Will take new wheelbase measurements when I get home tonight.

    Hello all, I know you are fans of details and pictures so this might be a long one.

    Background information: I bought my 2015 TRDOR DCSB 32K miles in January and it has 1" blocks in the rear, 1.25" top-hats in the front. Now has 37K miles and bald tires. All of this I want to replace with Billy 6112/5160s, Dakars, and icon delta-joint UCAs, but if my axle housing is bent, I'd rather swap it all at once. Maybe swapping all this will solve the issue anyways?

    After noticing excessive tire wear (4k miles over 7 months and my rear tires, toyo open country extremes 285/65R18, are shot), I took my truck back to a different Firestone location, and the manager looked at my numbers for about 15 seconds before saying "bent axle or the passenger rear drifted into a curb". Neither of which I have done, and the title is clean with no accidents, not to say previous 2 owners didn't hit a curb. Then took it to a suspension shop to see what they thought of it, and they put it on their alignment rack and got very similar numbers and said "I could do more measurements, but I already know its a bent axle" I started doing some investigating and found a few interesting things but was hoping I could get yalls advice. Bent axle? Will doing the suspension swap I want to do remedy the situation? Do I need to put on a new spring perch on passenger side? I have read military wraps go towards the front. But in my rough measurements, then that makes the longer arm of the spring pack also go to the front which is counter to what I have read.

    I did notice the drivers side block contact surfaces are rusty and have indications of rubbing, even though there is no damage or wallowing on that side. When I loosened the U-bolts on driver (unaffected) side, they were VERY easy to break free, talking maybe 20 ft-lbs if I had to guess :notsure:.

    Passenger Wheelbase: 129 5/8"
    Driver Wheelbase: 129"
    Passenger rear tire to back fender well: 1.5"
    Passenger rear tire to front fender well: 3 5/8"
    Driver rear tire to back fender well: 2"
    Driver rear tire to front fender well: 2 7/8"

    Driver spring perch hole: fine
    Driver block hole: fine
    Driver spring pin: fine
    Driver E-brake line: minor slack between spring bracket and hub
    Driver Leaf orientation: Military wrap (half wrap) to the front
    Driver rear shackle orientation: Bolts are vertical

    Passenger spring perch hole: wallowed 1/8" towards the front
    Passenger Block hole: wallowed 1/8" towards the front
    Passenger spring pin: Paint rubbed off on the front portion of it.
    Passenger E-brake line: stretched tight between spring bracket and hub
    Passenger leaf orientation: Military wrap (half wrap) to the front
    Passenger rear shackle orientation: bolts are vertical
    Passenger side total pin misalignment due to wallowing: 1/4"

    Both rear leafs are 3+1 with the 6 clips, and both lay flat with no load in the bed, and no aftermarket additions.

    Key Alignment specs of note:
    Right rear camber: -1.2
    Right rear toe: -1.65
    Left Rear camber -0.5
    Left rear toe: 0.32
    Total rear toe: -1.32
    Thrust angle: 0.98

    Lastly, when inspecting the axle housing itself, I noticed 2 things:
    1) minor paint cracking ONLY on the passenger side at some assembly welds.
    2)Appearance of oily residue around the entirety of my rear diff cover

    Picture dump describing the above, in order:

    First alignment from March at Firestone:
    Alignment March.jpg

    Second opinion. No alignment done, just took measurements 4k miles later at a suspension shop:
    Alignment 7-17.jpg

    Driver (unaffected side) tire wear:
    Unaffected side tire wear.jpg

    Passenger (affected side) tire wear:
    Affected side tire wear.jpg

    Passenger rear tire to rear fender well:
    Passenger tire to rear wheelwell.jpg


    Passenger rear tire to front fenderwell:
    Passenger tire to front wheel well.jpg


    Driver rear tire to front fenderwell:
    Driver tire to rear wheel well.jpg

    Driver rear tire to rear fenderwell:
    Driver tire to front wheel well.jpg

    Driver Spring Perch:
    Spring perch hole 4.jpg

    Driver rear block hole:
    Driver side lift block.jpg

    Passenger side spring perch:
    Spring perch hole 2.jpg

    Passenger Block Hole:
    Lift block hole 1.jpg

    Passenger Spring Pin:

    Spring perch hole 1.jpg

    Axle Paint cracking from front:
    Axle Paint Cracking 1.jpg

    Axle Paint Cracking from rear:
    Axle Paint Cracking.jpg

    Oily diff Passenger:
    Dirty Diff.jpg

    Oily diff driver:
    Dirty diff 2.jpg


    Hoping yall can provide some insight moving forward. Chop and swap the passenger perch? Replace the axle housing? further tests or measurements yall need? Long story short, I cant burn through a set of tires every 4000 miles. What I don't understand is if it was a bent axle on passenger side, why would I burn out both rear tires instead of only the passenger side.
     

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  2. Jul 25, 2019 at 1:03 PM
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    Passenger leaf pin could be sheared or at least partially sheered... that doesn't explain the camber issue tho...the acked paint at the weld doesnt look promising...might need a new housing man...sucks
     
  3. Jul 25, 2019 at 1:21 PM
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    DangerNut

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    Thanks for the input man, might be a bummer but i'm hoping there is some wisdom out there that has ideas I haven't thought of! The spring pin only has chipped paint but otherwise is whole (as pictured above), and the nut on top is secure as well. Yea, I didn't notice the cracked paint until this morning. we will see.
     
  4. Jul 25, 2019 at 2:56 PM
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    are you the original owner? bending a housing isnt that common.
    i would bolt it up, but make sure you align the wheels the best you can in the opening or better yet from a known point on the frame. you will have some wiggle room when you tighten up the ubolts
     
  5. Jul 25, 2019 at 3:04 PM
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    Nah, I'm the third owner, which probably should've raised some red flags when it only had 32K miles on it at time of purchase. I'll square it up in the wheel well when I tighten it all up (keeping it loose as long as I can incase someone needs pictures or something more before I have to drive it tonight). Only issue I have with that is... is that a root cause solution, or a band-aid fix?
     
  6. Jul 25, 2019 at 3:19 PM
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    Seems to be a bent housing which will not only give you crap tire wear on both sides which you already experienced but over time will also ruin your differential (and decrease your fuel economy)

    A new naked housing from Toyota costs about $1,000 and I would be careful getting one from a junkyard because the wreck could have very well bent the one you buy not to mention they likely will want to sell the whole axle assembly. Hope you got a good deal on the truck at least. Bite the bullet and move on

    I’ve bent a housing in a Jeep once from being stupid and jumping it so it’s really not that hard to do...
     
  7. Jul 25, 2019 at 6:11 PM
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    Yea I'm worries about my differential, honestly, if i'm going to swap the housing, my brother mentioned Diamond sells one for $1200 which would be more future proof anyways. Ive never jumped it, shit ive only driven it 4K highway miles due to traveling for work. but I cant speak for the previous owners.


    Update 1: jacked up the rear of the truck and loosened all u-bolts in a quick attempt to straighten the rear axle and zero my thrust angle. Will take new wheelbase measurements when I get home tonight.
     
  8. Jul 27, 2019 at 3:57 PM
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    New wheelbase numbers.

    Passenger: 129.25"
    Driver: 129"
     
  9. Jul 27, 2019 at 4:23 PM
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    My doors are the only stock things left besides the headlights
    I'd bet money that axle is bent
     
  10. Jul 27, 2019 at 8:05 PM
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    while you are playing with it, see if you have a bent flange. jack it up put sands under the axle and carfully put it in gear and watch it spin. see if you see some wobble. you can bend an axle but its not that common unless you are jumping or in a bad accident.
     
  11. Aug 9, 2019 at 2:12 PM
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    Sorry for the late reply, thanks for the idea! I will try this as I'm shopping around for an axle just in case.
     
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    So what was the conclusion? Facing a similar problem
     

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