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Better Steering Solutions

Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by BEAR_KNIFE_FIGHT, Aug 25, 2021.

  1. Mar 20, 2022 at 6:48 PM
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    You want a pump that flows more and has a higher pressure output. My stock pulley fit the psc pump. But you will need to source the correct fitting from hydraulic hose to rack. Jdfab says they custom make thier own, my local hydraulic hose shop told me they would make one if i found out the sizes.

    Did you get a cbr pump?
     
  2. Mar 20, 2022 at 7:01 PM
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    Full hydro steering takes alot of work to make it work well for street use. Theres a ton of variables that effect how it will react on street.
    Caster is one of the most important factors for return to center, this is why i went with a JD pivot kit, i should have around 8-9 degrees caster.
    Scrub radius also effects how the vehicle drives
    Pump output, hose sizing, orbital flow and ram size also all effect how the system will act.
    Im still working on getting mine dialed in but i need to swap for a larger displacement orbital and higher pressure pump now.

    I have pretty good return to center, i have to help it the last 1/4 turn. When i go LT i will play with caster more to get this better
    Ive heard people say the steering wheel constantly turns, my dads and mine do not do this. My dads did for a short time until they rerouted lines and rebled the system. But my steering wheel is never straight, it does move a bit, i can drive 30 miles to work and my steering wheel will be about a 1/4 turn off.
     
  3. Mar 20, 2022 at 8:32 PM
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    i just bought the Psc Saginaw style pump off summit. Been doing better than the oem ls2 pump I had in before but time will tell. I’ve only had one Johnson valley trip on it this year, but so far so good. I do know the pump is a 1200 psi hi flow pump, just don’t know what the actual flow is. And as far as fittings it’s a m16 on pressure of a bubble flare with o ring seal. But the return is an oddball of a m17 which I haven’t found anyone who makes a fitting for that, henceforth why jd makes there own return fitting by taking the factory tube and welding a -an fitting on the end of it.
     
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    Its not a factory tube. Looks as if its a bubble flare union cut in half and a an fitting tig welded to it. Heres a pic of mine
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  5. Jun 27, 2022 at 3:33 PM
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    Hey folks, I'm looking in to going to a tundra rack and weld-on heim, with the rack coming from basikbiker or solomotor sports.

    Before I decide, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help explain (or point me to any writing) about how JD fab's slide rack system works. I'm relatively new to steering components and how the system works so having a written explanation would help me out: https://jdfabrication.com/collections/05-15-6-lug/products/2005-2015-tacoma-steering-slide-rack
     
  6. Jun 27, 2022 at 5:56 PM
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    Think of it as a secondary rack. Except it’s a solid piece of bar tied into each steering clevis. This bar is supported by the frame tie in points. When the steering clevis undergoes force, much of it is mitigated through the slide rack and not entirely through the steering rack.
     
  7. Jun 27, 2022 at 5:58 PM
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    The steering rack basically pushes a track bar side to side to steer the truck versus being direct connected to the tie rods. Gives the rack a lil cushion from hard hits.
     
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    The simplest way I was able to explain it to myself was it’s a gusset for the steering rack. It doesn’t help with making tires easier to turn but it absorbs energy while wheeling to prevent deflection of the rack.

    One thing to keep in mind is you can’t put a boot on it, and a couple of people in wet/muddy climates have reported issues with that. It’s a non issue in dry western states but is an issue in wetter states.
     
  9. Sep 18, 2022 at 12:43 PM
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    Any word from tnt fab
    I would also like one for my truck
     
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  10. Sep 18, 2022 at 6:26 PM
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    Did you do any maintenance to your stock rack before adding the slide or good to replace any parts? Mines 68k miles and still pretty solid
     
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    Mine had roughly 180k on it. I just cleaned it up a bit. Sprayed a bunch of brake clean through it, tried to flush out all the old power steering fluid. Threw it back together and it’s been fine.
     
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    Good to know thanks
     
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    Did you figure out what pump and pulley to use? I am eying the JD fab kit, but wondering if I can just piece together my own version.
     
  15. Oct 2, 2022 at 8:08 PM
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    You can use a TC style high output pump from trail gear or PSC. You will need to drill 1 mounting hole to a larger size and for the same hole you might need a 10mm spacer. Use your stock pulley. They JD fab kit comes with a custom high pressure fitting to adapt to -6 AN. Youll need to find someone who can cut 2 fittings apart and weld them back together to make that custom fitting. Then its just sourcing high pressure hoses, a resevoir and a cooler.
    You shouldnt need to figure out flow, as the high outputs are more than stock, and flow is controlled through the steering valve. I think the jd kit uses a 1600 psi pump.
     
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    That is helpful, thank you. I like that they use the Howe pump. The custom high pressure fitting, must be the factory rack fitting joined to the -6 AN ?
     
  17. Oct 3, 2022 at 8:31 AM
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    Yes the high pressure rack fitting joined with an AN.
     
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    I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure they switched tactics and no longer use a custom fitting. The high pressure feed line appeared to be an off the shelf adapter. The return fitting is now just a barbed fitting and you reuse your stock return connection and a few inches of hose coming out of the rack and then marry it to new hose they supply. That was the case for my recent install of the kit.

    With that said @Tac05 their kit is 100% worth it. It's so nice having everything there on hand ready to bolt up. No need to figure out the correct belt length or anything, it simply just works. It's a ridiculously nice difference especially when paired with a larger rack (I have the tundra rack).
     
  19. Oct 3, 2022 at 9:24 AM
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    You can see what I'm talking about here. Also a pic of the high pressure adapter. Originally I received the wrong one and Harry was quick to remedy it, even while sick. He overnighted me the correct one.

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    Interesting. I didnt know you could just buy the adapter. That makes it alot easier for someone to piece together thier own kit for half the price.

    The stock belt should fit with the stock pulley. And my psc and trail gear TC style pumps both fit the stock pulley.
     

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