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Billy 5100s with TSB AAL or not?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by STLTaco09, May 12, 2009.

  1. May 12, 2009 at 7:27 AM
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    I'm pretty set on getting Billy 5100s for all 4 corners, probably will be set at 1.75" (just to avoid any CV issues or drive line shudder, etc). I'd like the level look, however I dont want to have the rear sit lower than the front when hauling anything (camping gear, etc).

    I've got a 2009 TRD Sport 4 door with the TSB leaf pack. If I put on the Billys set at 1.75", would the Toytec rear AAL for TSB trucks make the rear sit to high? I've searched a lot, and it seems like most folks that do this have the Billys set at 2.5", so I'm unsure if the AAL will be too much. Not much info on the 1.75 setting with the TSB Leaf Pack with the toytec AAL though.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. May 12, 2009 at 10:05 AM
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    Good ? I have 5100s at 1.75 and tsb i'm about 3/4" higher in rear but it looks level if I put much in back or hook up trailer it will squat some. If you haul often an aal might be the ticket. [​IMG]
     
  3. May 12, 2009 at 10:23 AM
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    Interesting, so I'm guessing the stock rake will probably be maintained, just maybe 1.5" higher total...?
     
  4. May 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM
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    Thats what I would think.
     
  5. May 12, 2009 at 10:33 AM
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    Well I was 2.5" higher in the rear before 5100s so if I add 1.5" aal that should = 2.25" higher in rear If aal is actually 1.5"
     
  6. May 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    Right. I should probably take some measurements, but I think every truck is a bit different (i.e. mine might be different from yours by 1/4").

    I dont need to worry about brake lines or anything with this small of a lift do I? And from what I've read, stock UCAs should be fine as well.
     
  7. May 12, 2009 at 10:47 AM
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    Just did mine with 5100s all around set on 2.5 up front & 3 leaf wussprings with Toytec TSB 1.5 AAL outback. Sits level but if hauling much it would be nose high. Also used the TT leveling spacer on driver's side front to level it side to side up front. IMO, if you went 1.75 with the AAL if should be slightly tail high but not crazy, should still be right after settling. I have been lamin on gettin some before/after pics up. Mine ended up being 8" from top of tire to fender well in front & 9" from top of tire to fender well in back.
     
  8. May 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
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    I researched the same thing and this is the setup I am going to run.

    1.75 up front and 1.5" AAL in the back. I already have the TSB pack. Currently, my truck sits too high in the rear (not sure of measurements). If I raise the front 1.75" and rear by 1.5", that should level it off by .25".

    I don't need it to be perfectly level but definitely don't want the rear lower than the front.



    Also, I do not think there are any other modifications required to run this setup. Stock UCA's should be fine. At least that is what I am told.
     
  9. May 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    Sounds like you and I are on the same page with what our plans are then. I don't mind the rear being slightly higher than the front. What I dont want is the rear sagging lower when doing minor hauling (a few coolers, maybe camping gear, etc). I can see it sagging more if there's a heavier trailer attached, or if you've got a load of gravel, etc.
     
  10. May 13, 2009 at 5:30 AM
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    I was thinking about going something similiar to this route as well but all that money for 1.75 of lift? Just my $0.02, but I'd go the full 2.5 and block up the rear.
     
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    Are you keeping your stock tires? I plan to until they need replaced (25K miles or more). I will go slightly bigger at that time.

    I don't want blocks and more is not always better.

    I think 1.75 is all the life I want. Too high and it's not comfortable to climb in. My truck is many times our family vehicle (wife and kid). Also, as said above, I am keeping my stock tires on until they need replaced.
     
  12. May 13, 2009 at 6:34 AM
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    That's cool, post up some pics when you go up the 1.75. I'm very worried about putting a wheeler in the back and hauling a trailer with wood and the front end being pointed straight up in the air as well.
     
  13. May 13, 2009 at 8:28 AM
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    I've got the stock duellers, however I already have moto metal 951s on the truck. I'll keep the duellers as long as I can.


    I dont want more than 2" simply to prevent any CV issues or vibes. I think 1.75" will probably be a good compromise. I don't really think ~$300 for Billy 5100s from DownSouth plus an $80 AAL is very much for around 2" of lift. If I was getting 1.75" from a set of coilovers, that might get expensive. I think this is a very affordable option.

    I dont want blocks either. I'd like the added stiffness of an AAL so it doesn't squat so much when there is a load in the back.
     
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    Alright, here's my before & after:

    Base model tokicos & 3 leaf wussprings.....couldn't find side shot.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    5100s set to 2.5/TRD springs with 1.5 Toytec AAL....

    [​IMG]
     
  16. May 14, 2009 at 4:56 AM
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    Thanks for the photos. It definitely helps to get a visual. Based on your last photo, I think the billys set at 1.75 would give it a rake similar to what comes from the factory, just a bit higher.
     
  17. May 14, 2009 at 11:16 AM
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    I'm thinkin so. Don't let ride quality sway you, 2.5 is not anywhere near harsh on mine at all.
     
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    5100's all around, fronts at 1.75". TSB leaf pack + Toytec TSB AAL
    What about issues with CV angles, drive line shudders, etc? Seems like this stuff is more common when you get around 2.5"-3" and up.
     
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    Thanks Taco...the pictures do help. What size rubbers are you sitting on? How long did you have the AAL when the picture was taken? Does it sag over time?

    STLT, I agree...his front looks pretty level with the back when set at 2.5". I think you'll get a small rake at 1.75". Nothing drastic...similar to stock.
     
  20. May 18, 2009 at 7:47 AM
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    tacoprerunner, you got any vibes or anything after you installed your lift?
     
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