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Black powder handguns....

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by chris4x4, Dec 4, 2010.

  1. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:18 PM
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    chris4x4

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    Anyone have any experiance with them? Tipos? Tricks? Info?

    I just got a Navy Arms .44 cal black powder pistol :)
     
  2. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:21 PM
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    Awesome! My papaw actually used to collect them. You have any pics? I'll ask him about them and get back to you.
     
  3. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM
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    ....video, we need video chris! :popcorn:
     
  4. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:27 PM
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    I'll get pics in a sec. And DEFF will have video when I shoot it!! :) :)
     
  5. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:27 PM
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    :woot: for Chris!
     
  6. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:29 PM
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    thats cool too but i mean video of you and black powder in a 100 ft radius = excitement for us all :D



    :p
     
  7. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:31 PM
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    Pics..

    Black powder pistol 001.jpg
     
  8. Dec 4, 2010 at 5:32 PM
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    Noone has any input? Tips?
     
  9. Dec 4, 2010 at 6:15 PM
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    I need to get mine out one day. Just don't forget the powder and pack a ball in a chamber.
     
  10. Dec 4, 2010 at 6:16 PM
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    Do you need to use any wadding? And do you just fill the chamber up, or do you use a certain amount?
     
  11. Dec 4, 2010 at 6:47 PM
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    It is a replica of an 1851 colt navy model, these were made until 1871.
    To load the gun, you first have to cock the hammer halfway, thus allowing the cylinder to turn easily. A little funnel or powder measure is placed into each of the chambers to load between 24-28 grains of powder. Next take a lead ball, which will be a little oversized, and place it on top of the chamber, then with the under leaver, press the ball firmly into the chamber, it trims the ball slightly leaving a small lead ring that is wiped away. This is repeated with all of the remaining 5 chambers in the cylinder. Some bore butter can then be used instead of the old grease they used to smear on top of the chambers, this was traditionally done to waterproof the cylinders, stop chain-fire of other cylinders and to keep dirt out.

    Here is a more detailed breakdown of it.

    the hammer is set to 'half cock' to enable the cylinder to revolve. In this position if the pistol was loaded and the hammer were to fall, detonation would not happen as there would not be enough force off the hammer to ignite to percussion caps...or so they tell me !
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    The necessary 'ingredients' the powder flask, ball shot and percussion caps, laid out ready to load up the revolver.
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    The assembled revolver is inverted and a charge of black powder is poured into each hole in the cylinder, one at a time.
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    The amount of dispensed powder can be seen here in the cylinder, its about 80% filled to the top, this would equal a measure of about 26 grains powder.
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    Next, the .44 ball shot is seated into the charged cylinder. The ball shot is of a very close tolerance and is an exact and tight fit
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    The ball shot is then rammed down the cylinder via the use of the ram rod that is situated under the barrel.
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    The ram rod is pulled down to its furthest extremity. This ensures that the ball shot is fully seated and that the powder is compressed to aid ignition.
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    The ball shot is seen here correctly seated into the charged cylinder. As the ball shot is such a tight fit it wont roll out when the gun is turned over.
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    A small amount of grease is then smeared across the top of each hole in the loaded cylinder. This keeps dirt and water out that could malfunction the revolver when its finally fired. Any sort of grease, soap, wax or lard can be used for this purpose.
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    The revolver is then turned around, the hammer is set to half cock and the percussion caps are seated onto the little nipples recessed into the end of the cylinder.
    This part of the loading operation has to be done with great care so as not to damage the caps.
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    The hammer is then gently lowered and the revolver is then ready to be fired.

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    The hammer has to be cocked by the thumb before the trigger can be pulled, this is known as SA or 'Single Action' operation and all old west guns operated the same.
     
  12. Dec 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM
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    Cool! Thanks for the info...Any idea where I can find the pics that are not showing up?
     
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    Here is the website I got the info from. I have an identical model, and collect many others as well. A fun little hobby. I personally prefer the Remington model, but the colt model was produced in far greater numbers and was therefor more prevalant in the civil war and the old west. Dan F.

    http://www.vincelewis.net/coltnavy2.html
     
  17. Dec 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM
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    Doesnt work for me for some reason.

    No shit :p
     
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    he pretty much has all the info covered.
    i can give you a little more though.
    they say 28 grains of powder. i use 30 grains of fffg powder.
    use bore butter to seal the fronts it cleans real easy
    use cci percussion caps they work the best.
    make sure you clean the hell out of it when your done for the day, i mean really clean with soap and water. i dry mine in the oven set to about 200, then wipe it with an oily rag to keep it from rusting.

    happy shooting!!!
     
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    I have one of those (still at my folks house). We didn't fire it often.
    I used a Remington New Model to qualify for nationals several times in the youth division, I was 12-14. I haven't fired it in decades! Don't worry about the grease on the cylinder. Only do that if you are going to load it and then do a trail competition. Also, after you fire it you have to clean it!!! Black powder is a lot dirtier than convention firearms. After a weekend of shooting, we would spend the afternoon cleaning everything and reapplying oil to it. Very important!!!
     
  20. Dec 4, 2010 at 8:38 PM
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    Perfect! I'll look for the CCI caps. Oven is a great idea!

    Good point. Im bad about cleaning my weapons. :eek:
     
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