Brake line recall

Not what I expected. Looks like the bracket from the hard line to the flex line is different. The fix may be a new hard line and bracket.

 

Guilty!

 

Where is Sheldon and TFL when we need them, on Friday?

 

see the "advanced engineering expertise" part of my post below.

....oh, and I forgot one of these at the end of my prior post, quoted above

 

Rear disk brakes are not really new. Toyota has been using RDB for around 30 years in their 4WD vehicles.

 

Rear disk brakes were new in 1950 though!

 

I seem to recall Cadillac was using RDB back in the 1970's in the Eldorado. They are not new, so why Toyota engineers needed to reinvent the wheel, instead of leaving things alone, is a mystery.

 

Did they turn the same engineering team that designed the tow hooks on the Tundra loose on the Tacoma brakes?

 

I changed out rear drums for the first time in a 2007 Honda Accord I owned. I had changed out disks in 1/2 dozen cars, 2 times and more each (I tow). The neighbors thought it was my mechanically challenged brother under my Accord those several days. What a pain in my arse.

 

[QUOTE="Pappy Jon, post: 30465065, member: 262063" They are not new, so why Toyota engineers needed to reinvent the wheel, instead of leaving things alone, is a mystery.[/QUOTE]

That's what I don't get. Wasn't the point of TNGA to standardize platforms to save on development cost/time? Maybe they didn't like the (Tundra) calipers at 6 o'clock and decided moving them to 3/9 o'clock was better. But reuse the brake lines because you have to cut costs somewhere.

 

That's what I don't get. Wasn't the point of TNGA to standardize platforms to save on development cost/time? Maybe they didn't like the (Tundra) calipers at 6 o'clock and decided moving them to 3/9 o'clock was better. But reuse the brake lines because you have to cut costs somewhere.[/QUOTE]

I'm starting to think not a lot of thought went into designing this truck as an end product. How much was done by engineers and how much was done by AI? After the truck was designed it seems like more resources went in to what the halo models would be, and how many trim variants can we offer. When the truck design could have used more attention earlier in the timeline.

I was looking at the TRD spring thread, and it seems no one knows including Toyota and the parts department what parts are what, and what's available for which truck. I get it's a new platform and an all new truck early in it's production cycle and not everything is ready.

There isn't too much that seems standardize and there seems to be more variances and differences between models than any other previous Toyota products. There's Tacoma, Tundra, Sequioa both gas & hybrid, LC 250, 4Runner is that available in hybrid? That's before you get into the various trims and configurations. Which you may never see built or be able to find at a dealer if you want a specific build. It's probably easier to find a 2025 Capstone Tundra than a 2025 long bed SR5 Tundra with tow mirrors. Is this what standardization looks like?

 

No. Here's what standardization looks like:

$$$$$ which is shorthand for "maximizing shareholder value."

it's like a Mr. potato head. You can just plug the parts from one into another. Only you got just the feet but some people get the feet, bow tie, glasses and funny mustache trim

 

Now that we've gotten corporate financial misgivings figured out, is there anyone who works in the space with an ear to the ground? As eager as I am to go pick up my hostage Tacoma, I'm curious if there is any internal news about how Toyota is planning to remedy the situation. Or maybe it's still in R&D.

 

Call 1-800-331-4331 and ask about recall 25TB04 and 25TA04.

 

Standardization works for the manufacturer Ford cut a lot of there options and configurations for the F-150. 2025 you have to get a 3.5 Lariat BAP to get dual exhaust oulets. That's going to run like 70k. In 2023 you could get a STX 3.5 BAP with the dual exhaust. It now costs 20k to get dual exhaust from the factory on a F-150, yeah you get leather upgraded lighting and what ever other Lariat options, but I don't care about that stuff.

I guess my point was standardization doesn't make sense when many of the interchangeable parts aren't so interchangeable, and if I can't get the options and features I want, standardization does not do me any good with the allocation system. I haven't seen the 4G I want at any dealer in MD since the 4G was released. You can at least see how that can be frustrating?

 

In this case, "standardized" doesn't mean parts aren't interchangeable. It just means the manufacturer has decided that they're not willing to offer a particular part to you. That Lariat exhaust probably will bolt right up to any other 3.5 EcoBoost equipped F150 if you were to get your hands on one. Their reasoning could be any number of things, but I suspect this particular one has more to do with maintaining the cachet of the Lariat trim more than anything.

In Toyota's case, they're so aggressive about supply line and manufacturing efficiency that they're not willing to entertain any hokum in regards to configuration at all. The fact that they won't make a particular configuration and that leaves you in a situation where you can't be their customer is a calculated move; they've apparently decided that losing you and everybody else who wants something other than what whatever model they use to determine what to build and to ship where as customers isn't worth it. I don't get it, as most other manufacturers will allow at least some degree of ordering of particular configurations and it's not like Toyota's the only successful manufacturer.

 

Same, my 2008 just got totalled and I’m in my wife’s RAV4 until they release my new TRD off road sitting at the dealership.

 

I called Toyota's customer service and they said Q2 is what they're "hoping for". Oof

 

After only a few calls to Toyota's Brand engagement center i've lost all confidence in their knowledge of what's going on. first time I called the agent said "yes, parts are being delivered to your region already for the brake recall service. It won't be that long". Found out that was clearly and completely wrong. he said he would create a ticket so a manager would call me. I checked on the ticket and it was already closed. I added comments to reopen it, and an hour later it was closed. I've never heard a word in response from it. Second call the agent didn't even know about the recall, and sent a complaint to the dealership even though I pleaded not to since I knew they didn't have any other information. Third agent said "no remedy available I have no other information". I think it was the first accurate information I got.