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Buying a Machine Gun

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Packman73, Sep 25, 2010.

  1. Sep 25, 2010 at 8:12 PM
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    Michigan --(Ammoland.com)- Separating the truth from the fiction can be difficult at times. When it comes to buying certain types of guns you certainly don’t want to cross into any gray area.
    This is especially true when it comes to machine guns.
    Despite numerous anti gun media misconceptions, buying a fully functional machine gun involves a lot more than merely going to a gun show. It can be a long and often times tedious process, one that includes no small amount of paperwork, see:(National Firearms Act Forms and Their Use) and when all that is done, be prepared to do some waiting.
    With the kind help from our friends at GunBoards.com they offered some thoughts on what it is actually involved in buying a machine-gun.

    Currently, there are basically 4 types of machineguns in the US market today:
    • C&R (curio and relic) transferable Machine Guns, including Deactivated War Trophy Guns
    • Transferable Machine Guns
    • Pre May Dealer Sample Machine Guns
    • Post May Dealer Sample Machine Guns
    “The first is the C&R (curio and relic) transferable machine guns,” says Frank, an advanced collector of firearms. “These guns are original factory guns registered generally prior to the end of December, 1968 when the Gun Control Act of 1968 passed, banning the import of machine-guns for civilian sales.”
    He notes that DeWaTs (Deactivated War Trophy) are in this group. These are registered as “unserviceable firearms” and transferred via 5320.5 or form 5 tax exempt.
    “Those were guns that came in under the US DeWaT (Deactivated War Trophy) program. The GCA 1968 defined the receiver of a firearm as the firearm owner and since most DeWaT’s were deactivated in a manner that left the receiver intact they were allowed to be registered during the amnesty in December of 1968. If they were registered they can be reactivated legally and returned to functional status.”
    Next up are machine guns that were manufactured in the US after the 1968. “These guns are transferable but unless they are put on the C&R list individually they aren’t normally C&R. These guns had to be built and registered in the United States in order to be transferable. Many original guns were cut in half to destroy them then re-welded and registered during the period between the Gun Control Act of 1968.”
    This cutting and rebuilding was the only way to take an existing “contraband” machinegun and make it legal.
    All this changed on May 19, 1986 with the signing of the McClure-Volkmer Act or Gunowners Protection Act. This “controversial act” banned the further manufacture of all machineguns for civilian sales
    “Pre May (May 19, 1986) Dealer samples are machine-guns that were imported between the Gun Control Act of 1968 and May 19 of 1986. It wasn’t legal to import machine-guns for civilian sales after 1968 so anything imported could only be sold to a class 2 or class 3 dealer as a ‘Dealers Sales Sample.’ As such the guns could be kept by the dealer after he gave up his Federal Firearms License (FFL) or Special Occupational Taxpayer (SOT) but could only be sold to another SOT paying FFL. They never become transferables but since the dealer can keep it they call them keepers. Also they don’t require any special paperwork above and beyond the normal forms for transfers so they are easy and simple for dealers to buy. They will transfer on form 3s between active dealers and if the seller has given up his FFL/SOT then the transfer will be via tax paid form 4.”
    Post May Dealer Samples therefore refer to any machine gun made or imported after the McClure-Volkmer Act.
    “These guns can only be registered to an SOT paying FFL holder who has a letter from a recognized and certified law enforcement agency asking for a demonstration of the firearm. The letters are a pain to get and the guns have to be abandoned, sold, destroyed or otherwise transferred out of the SOT’s inventory when he gives up his FFL/SOT. The value of these guns is the lowest because the market is very limited.”
    For this reason C&R guns are usually the most valued.
    “These will transfer on form 3s tax exempt between active FFL/SOT holders, on form 4s tax paid if a non FFL/SOT is at either end of the transfer or a form 5 tax exempt if the firearm is unserviceable or transferring to or from a government agency. Transferables are next in value and transfer the same as the C&R’s.”
    Special Occupational Taxpayer and this is what converts an otherwise ordinary every day FFL dealer into a class 3 dealer.

    Disclaimer: Consult with local law enforcement to clarify the laws in your area. The above statements are meant for background information only and should not be used as a legal recommendation.
     
  2. Sep 25, 2010 at 8:17 PM
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    You could always practice bump firing your AR, that will save a you allot of time!!
     
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    I'm not really a full auto fan. 3 round burst on the other hand...:cool:
     
  4. Sep 25, 2010 at 8:28 PM
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    Understood, a file on the sear will get you either, just don't get caught!!

     
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    im pretty sure that can land you in prison for a lonnnnggg time haha
     
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    Yeah, the feds don't care for that kind of behavior.;)
     
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    :eek: :cool: :)
     
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    Lol, meant for the post above. Great vids though!
     
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    Even if you reload your own, powder & lead gonna cost-u. And damn it controling that muzzle rise is a bitch even with a comp on the barrel.
     
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    After I saw the posts above, I figured that one out - didn't think I needed to edit :D

    That day was one of the best days of wheeling and shooting! I brought a co-worker that helps me out all the time. He thought to himself, "I hope I don't embarrass myself!" - He won the SWAT competition!!! :D Nice!

    We're taking Wednesday off to go shooting again. Too bad we don't get their guns and ammo every time!!! :D
     
  12. Sep 25, 2010 at 9:12 PM
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    Never really cared for automatic weapons... Uzis, MAC10s, MP5s.. all feel like the squirt guns of way back when. And the one AR15 pistol (dont remember the designation) had such a ball of fire at the front end I was blind for a few seconds. Kinda pointless.
     
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    A file on th sear gets you neither on the m16/AR platform and 3 round burst sucks and is worthless... If you want a 3 round burst use trigger control. The cam on the 3 rd m16 trigger is long and notch and if you fire 1 round over the pull the next pull gets you 2 rounds. I feel this way about all full auto triggers but it's worst on the m16.

    Oh and the best intro to full auto toys is the M11 with a Lage slowfire kit. It's inexpensive, highly controllable and 9mm is cheap to shoot.

    if you get a full auto on a form 4 be sure to do it via trust. Has all the benefits of personal and corporate ownership combined with none of the drawbacks of either.
     
  15. Sep 26, 2010 at 9:09 AM
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    interesting thread, too bad none of it pertains to me...
     
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