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Calling all MT owners better driving and shifting.

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by brentw59, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Apr 12, 2018 at 3:18 PM
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    toyotatacomaTRD

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    I don't think it's applying brakes, but I could see it limiting throttle when it experiences slight slipping.
     
  2. Apr 12, 2018 at 3:33 PM
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    Alesimo

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    Just an overprotective traction system. Makes sense to me. I'll try it on my way to work tonight and update in a few hours. Can't say id want it off all of the time.
     
  3. Apr 12, 2018 at 3:38 PM
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    Steve Urquell

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    I turned everything off for 500miles/1 tank of gas checking to see if it made any difference in mileage on my 2.7/5MT. Didn't notice any difference in shifting, driving, or mileage, but I also don't have any problem with the way my trans shifts.
     
  4. Apr 12, 2018 at 3:40 PM
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    I remember the days of my 2.7L getting 500 miles a tank... I'm lucky to get 300 now.
     
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  5. Apr 12, 2018 at 3:43 PM
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    Steve Urquell

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    If I granny drive it I can get ~24MPG and 500mi but I like to drive a little more aggressively so I usually get 21.5MPG and 430ish
     
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  6. Apr 12, 2018 at 3:57 PM
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    I've owned it since it was new, and am at 5 years, 40k miles. Not a single issue with it. Not a very fast car, but I think it's the most fun you can *legally* have on the street.

    I'll be taking my 5th trip with it out to Asheville this summer. With the Michelin Pilot Super Sports I put on after the first year, it never disappoints. :) Love my 35 MPG on road trips, and the seats fold down to give my wife and I plenty of room to pack for the week.

    To answer your question, pick one up that isn't molested, and enjoy the hell out of it!

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  7. Apr 12, 2018 at 4:05 PM
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    Surprisingly / actually, no.

    IMG_20180412_150537.jpg

    VCS turns back on in AutoLSD above 35mph, but it seems to stay off after the long press in 2Hi.
     
  8. Apr 12, 2018 at 4:16 PM
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    I turned it off on the commute this morning, didn't notice a difference but that's a small sample size.

    Edit: tried again on a trip with more low gear shifting, and I can definitely feel a difference in power available.
     
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  9. Apr 12, 2018 at 4:22 PM
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    brentw59

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    For me its the to and from work driving in traffic, with lots of stop lights. It just seems to drive a little better in that situation for me. I just thought some of you might find it to be a little better driving in those situations.
     
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  10. Apr 12, 2018 at 5:18 PM
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    Thank you!!! I’m sure I could have read manual but I’m so annoyed that I’d turn it off and it would auto lsd. Now I know how to disengage it, gonna try it tomorrow
     
  11. Apr 12, 2018 at 5:39 PM
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    Do you have manual transmission?
     
  12. Apr 12, 2018 at 6:41 PM
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    There's good explanations in the TRAC sticky. The owners manual sucks in this area.

    For the subject, after strat up and when the dash lights start to go out, hold the TRAC Off button for a long time (about 3sec) until the TRAC Off light and VCS Off symbols light up on the tach.
     
  13. Apr 12, 2018 at 6:43 PM
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    After the homeward commute and some errands around town, I think there is a certain gennesse-quaa about driving around in this mode. I'll continue to try it out for a week or so to see if this slightly different feeling stays.
     
  14. Apr 12, 2018 at 6:43 PM
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    Will try this thx!
     
  15. Apr 12, 2018 at 7:00 PM
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    I've been doing this for over 2 years, It definitely makes the truck drive better. Just sucks cruise control doesn't work with it off.
     
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  16. Apr 12, 2018 at 7:03 PM
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    Yeah I have the MT, previously I had a 2010 A/T Tundra and loved turning off traction control for full power... Not feeling it in the taco MT. It could be the way I drive my new Tacoma, I'm still under 1k miles and I still tend to baby it. You might see a difference if you push higher RPMs than I would on a backroad 15 mi commute.
     
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  17. Apr 12, 2018 at 7:07 PM
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    Maybe it’s a sport vs off-road thing, idk
     
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  18. Apr 12, 2018 at 8:35 PM
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    It could be? I do know that it is never easy.
     
  19. Apr 12, 2018 at 11:58 PM
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    Seems a day better between 1st and 2nd. 2nd gear starts were just as boggy for me.
     
  20. Apr 13, 2018 at 4:16 AM
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    I have tested this on my commute home last night and in today. I can say for certain there is a difference in 1st and 2nd not feeling boggy. Before if I went into 2nd and punched it I could feel slight hesitation, almost like there was something that was reducing power to prevent the wheels from spinning. I even notice that if I am in the higher gears the power delivery is now smoother.

    I think this may actually have some technical reason behind why we feel the boggyness and some would say a misfire type of situation under higher throttle. The old VSC and TSS systems of the past relied more on reacting vs predicting to stop wheel spin and skid. Now I think Toyota may have moved towards more of a predictive system almost anticipating possible traction loss based on the many many many sensors feeding the data, meaning it will see all the input and almost slightly cut power etc to prevent the traction loss in the first place. I know my S4 had a shitload of safety tech that these trucks do not have. I had a few traction modes I could select from, each one allowing me to have different level of how much the nannies would step in to stop my fun. Race mode was what I ran most of the time as no traction aids would step in at all. If I had left it in regular mode I could feel almost as if I did not have quite all the HP and the car felt a slightly lower in power and responsiveness.


    I do believe that the Toyota nannies are here trying to stop any potential for traction loss, and in our cases they have dialed the sensitivity up a little more than some other cars/trucks. I may put my data logger on the truck next week and record the data being pulled on the truck to graph out some more actual stats of what our trucks are doing with VSC etc being on. That way we can prove this is not just all in our heads.
     
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