Canada BS Thread

Yes. It's an interesting concept. I believe they've been trying to do something similar for years with compressed Nitrogen in large tanks.

 

http://aoecanada.ca

 

Good thing Ethanol is used is gasoline engines. Even VW seems to be able to meet gas emissions standards

 

I like this thread (not like FB when theres opposing views it turns into a shit show rather then a good discussion) and have been creeping the past little while but wanted to chime in as I'm currently going to school in Victoria, studying Environmental restoration - Taking some time in between Engineering classes to do "fun classes" rather then boring old math... but I've also done some "co-op" in different energy sectors (Direct Oil and Gas, and also Energy generation (Hydro & Co-gen between steam and N/G))

So putting large infrastructure that will directly affect the surrounding ocean ecosystem (its always present) is better then burring a pipe on land and having mother nature cover it up within a few years (im not talking exports here, just within Canada)? Same thing with Solar - those large areas of land are useless aside from the solar panels (which still have to have gas powered back-up often...). At least with O/G its underground and once its in, mother nature can do her work to reclaim the land. As for the Oil sands, I look at it as cleaning up mother natures largest natural oil spill...

As for Alberta Industry (Im from Calgary) Im just wondering whats gonna happen when they go after the real problem - agriculture (And not in the Bill 6 Unionization way, but in the Environmental way...)

 

Uh , well yeah , I would say putting compressed air under the surface is better than putting dilbit and crude under the surface , plus no GHG

not sure if serious

 

Leave the "Liberals only" to a thread clearly detailing in title liberals only then, otherwise actually identify what you may believe in is not gospel and have an open mind?... Touché'

 

You can start your own Right Wing Climate Change Denying Nice Hair Though Hope You're not wearing a Niqab BS thread if you want

 

I love general comments like that

Please be more specific. To be honest Alberta has some of the least environmentally negative farming practices in the world. On the crop side there is little to complain about. Crops are usually carbon negative. Yes they are a carbon sink since it takes years for the carbon to be totally released that was captured.

The only thing I could even think someone could realistically complain about is the meat industry/animal husbandry. Yes, cows produce significant methane. Yes, Alfalfa takes a ton of water. If you don't want a domestic beef industry that's fine but don't cry about it when beef prices double again and no one can afford a cheeseburger .

 

Land for solar panels here would be silly. The average KWH per square foot over a year is tiny compared to any state south of here. We'd be better off using our land for it's current uses unless that use is absolutely nothing and the environment isn't sensitive in that location.

 

Last Corp I worked for sold in August. And new Corp coming in told myself and 35 others to be packaged off due to foreseen govt tax structure changes and increases and delays now apparent due to political red tape on federal side they would be cancelling growth and continued on with mass layoffs. So ya myself and dozens I knew personally with families affected. All of which were educated and ambitious people so yes I and several have been directly affected.

Many people will say "government can not control commodity prices". That's 100% correct, however increasing royalties, taxation structures when industry is on its knees is not only completly crazy it's a sure way to lose any trust you think you had and a guarantee walk out the door come next election. Government can also create an investment atmosphere where as NDP here has done the compete opposite to say the least.

It's the interm dreams of instant renewables that is an impossible feat. I've never been against solar and wind however I have dealt with both for years and we simply are not there yet technology wise. We also do not have the right climate and conditions for either even if the technology was further then it is now.

 

I was simply trying to add to the conversation .

One of the biggest arguments against solar panels on a large scale in Canada is that it's a waste of land. Which it is. Solar panels on homes to help negate heating costs (water and air) though could work out very well if the government were to help push people in that direction like some other places in the world are.

 

The difference here is the is in the ocean All productivity here happens below the surface, so your constantly going to be affecting it. As for the O/G, its underground, but productivity on land is above ground (they dont conflict)

Its not about broken pannels, its about the land loss - like above, the solar affects land "above ground" which is the productivity zone for on land

The problem is the affect on the environment, and not the farming practices (much like the O/G industry, AB has some strict ass laws we gotta follow) - amount of water used, amount of shit leeched into water and GHG produced - Was it not you who who suggested cowspieracy (i mean i dont agree with it all, like any documentry, especially if it has that fucking Leo as a partner, but it does make some good points)

 

Why? I'm in a thread called Canadian BS thread that apparently likes to not hear anything not Liberal? I'm fine thanks, I don't need my own thread for attention...

 

O/G most definitely affects above ground in GHG emissions

You kinda skipped over that the first time

 

It is what it is. Does it piss me off? Damn rights it does cause that is the truth as to why the unemployment here is sky rocketing. And it's not because I'm upset for myself it's that I had to be the guy to tell everyone of these people their livelihood is gone and there are no jobs for them to goto and that's a shitty position to be in. I went through this in 2001, 2007, and now however this time is different. The government deflects it all as commodity pricing when it's not. Big business leaves and continues elsewhere where it is cheaper, money follows money and it's part of the game and it's understood. But... When ya know its related 100% to government hang ups ya I'm upset about it.

 

You're hilarious how you keep suggesting everybody posting in this thread is a Liberal Party fan boy

 

I'd like to hear about the leached chemicals. If you mean agrichem then the leaching is non existent. PRMA regulates the shit out of anything that could even possibly leach. As for macronutrient leaching, again, it's so heavily regulated it's not even worth discussing here. Plus things are getting even tougher on that side. When was the last time you heard of massive river fish deaths here. It doesn't happen because it's not a problem due to the steps that were taken long ago. The city of Calgary contributes more Nitrates and Phosphates to the environment then Ag ever could even try now, and that's after all the changes that have been made on that side to curb those pollutants.

I'm a P Ag, so this is kind of my thing . I mean no offense.

As for the amount of water used it's not an issue as long as there is enough to go around. If we end up like the southern USA it'll be an issue and trust me when I say every irrigation farmer is waiting and praying that day never comes. That being said, only ~10% of land here is irrigated. Even out of that 10% over 50% is just grain irrigation. If you cut out the low value crop irrigation and added in the new efficiency measures that could be taken the current system should be environmentally safe for a very very long time even if climate change cut moisture from precipitation significantly. Remember, we don't pump from wells here either so that's a big bonus to sustainability.

Nope, I didn't suggest anything about cowspieracy lol.

 

I'm going to play Fallout 4

 

That's the smartest thing said on here tonight.

 

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Rants? Nah... Just different opinions.