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Capital Hill - Recall Testimony

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by upnthebid, Feb 23, 2010.

  1. Feb 23, 2010 at 4:53 PM
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    I watched some of the testimony today and all Toyota owners should be very proud about the Public College System.

    A professor @ Southern Illinois (Dr. Gilbert) with 30+ years of automotive technical experience and a passion for his trade created a lab experiment that would simulate the "Sudden Unintended Acceleration" ("SUA") claim that Toyota executives have been adamant until today was not possible.

    Dr. Gilbert's work does not indicate he found the smoking gun, however, he did wake Toyota and the NHTSB by proving that a SUA is possible and it can happen without a default code, meaning all the safety overrides that Toyota have in their cars and trucks do not work. Also, since there are no default codes, every time a suspect car is inspected by Toyota there is no evidence of a problem, which is probably why all credible witness have been treated as suspect.

    Needless to say, this discovery sent Toyota and the NHTSB back to the lab. This SUA and "drive by wire" issue that has plagued Toyota since 2004 will finally get the attention it deserves.

    Due to the research of a Public Teaching Professional all of our roads will be much safer. I would like to thank Dr. Gilbert for his hard work.

    ABCNews did an expose on Dr. Gilbert's experiment. check it out.


    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/video/testing-toyota-9914148
     
  2. Feb 23, 2010 at 5:28 PM
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  3. Feb 23, 2010 at 5:33 PM
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    i think its great he is testing this on his own and it is making toyota go back and re look the situations.. ill give you Dr. Gilberts rep vote :thumbsup:
     
  4. Feb 23, 2010 at 5:47 PM
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    If its legitimate and will make the roads safer, why not?
     
  5. Feb 23, 2010 at 6:03 PM
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    The lady that gave the testimony beforehand claimed that shifting into neutral had no effect. If this is really the case, then what a terrifying situation to be in. If you can't shift it into neutral, I wonder if you can at least turn it off. If not, I guess you just stand on the brake and the parking brake and try to steer away from danger.
     
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  7. Feb 23, 2010 at 6:07 PM
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    Very interesting read... it requires a double fault to reproduce the UA but that's a pretty simple manipulation. I would be surprised if Toyota techs didn't find this or something similar since it's something a lot of folks with an electrical troubleshooting background would try just to see what happens. Maybe they did and just dismissed it as too unlikely... either that or the automotive world's dependence on DTCs and readers has reached the point of idiocy.
     
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    Not sure, maybe she's full of it. I wish they would have asked Dr. Gilbert what to do in the ABC news video. Would've been useful if he could've said what counteractions worked / didn't work in the situation he discovered.
     
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    Great Post!!! Thanks for the info.
     
  11. Feb 23, 2010 at 6:50 PM
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    If you watch it again, he says to shift it into neutral and apply brakes. I think that lady is full of it. She probably panicked And called her husband until God took over. Gotta get me one of those license plates.
     
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    I thought she also stated she put it in reverse and that didn't work? In my experience troubleshooting supporting software, it's usually the guys who writes the code that can't find the bugs until someone else has to inform them how to reproduce the scenario. Then they can write a fix for it. For example: if I right mouse click while chewing my gum my browser shuts down. Oversimplification of course but it's what comes to mind when this professor was able to reproduce by doing A + B = C.
     
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    It's Capitol btw...:cool:
     
  14. Feb 23, 2010 at 7:11 PM
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    Supposedly she went through every gear including reverse. I assume gear selection is mechanical, not software or electronically.
     
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    There's always one! LOL;)
     
  16. Feb 23, 2010 at 7:30 PM
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    Well, maybe there is a limit because a buddy of mine actually did something stupid the one day with his Taco. He was rolling forward slowly in N and accidently went into R (auto tranny). He played a nice tune for the neighbors. Nothing stopped him from doing it. Of course, this happened under 5mph.
     
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    Ok, the guy shorts out the two sensors at the same time (let's say you're really unlucky and that happens) then produces another separate short circuit in the system that we have no idea how he did it (could have rewired it, I don't know). I work in the electronics field and my understanding of a short circuit is sending a particular amount of current (higher or lower) where it shouldn't go, usually happens if you make a wrong connection. I don't see how this "test" makes any sense, the only thing I get from this test is no error code was registered, but he could have bypassed that by shorting out the two sensors at the same time (if they don't correspond that's when you get the code). This makes no sense, unless you do a really crappy stereo install.
     
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    Ok, before people try to discredit him simply because they have a hard time believing anything could possibly be wrong with our beloved trucks, he has a doctorate, and has been teaching at an university for 28 years.
     
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    At what point in the video does he say to shift it into neutral? I watched again but didn't hear that ...
     
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    Yes he is a professor and he was asked to produce an SUA scenario which he did, all praise to him. My question is what are the chances of that happening ? He didn't even explain what created the short circuit. Did he do this experiment on other brand vehicles ? etc. You should spend the day in a courtroom sometime and you'll realize you can make these "experts" say whatever you want.
     
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