Car and Driver Comparison: 2016 Tacoma v. 2016 Colorado

Yup you did not got the noise because discs don't get the noise. Sand simply falls of discs once they start moving.
In case of drums sand gets inside drum and when you start moving simply rolls inside a drum instead of just falling off, then you press a brake and yo drum shoes press sand against drum (shredding your shoes and destroying drum) and make a crazy noise.
Its one of the reasons why drums suck for offroading.
Seatbelt bracket Mike would know that if he drove his truck on the beach atlast once.

 

@BlueT


Enough said. This whole thread is just another rear brake nuclear waste land.

 

LOL!

Explain to me the noises that come from my brakes after going through watery mud? Neither brake likes crap in it. Get a rock in between the pad and the rotor and the rotor is toast. It happens all the time here and I've had to replace rear rotors on every truck I've had except F150's and my Tacoma.

Screw it, I'm throwing BlueT back on ignore. I thought he had brought it down a notch, but nope.

 

Really ? You need somebody to explain to you whats the difference between dry sand and water with mud?

 

Love how, as usual, he totally missed my point .

Neither brake is immune from crap getting into it and wrecking the brake. It just depends what surface you are on. Personally I'm rarely on sand, mostly on mud and/or gravel. Drums do well for me in those situations. However, if everyone here just wants to keep painting the issues with a broad F U brush, they can go right ahead.

 

I'm guessing he is going to go with something from some random article or his own wealth of "knowledge" that will illuminate why muddy water defies all predictions and does not behave similarly to sand in the brake. He'll also say something about rocks in the rotors being BS even though it's a very common issue.

Anyways, who cares, it's BlueT. He's going to keep bitching until he feels everyone respects his authoritah on da interwebz.

 

As for the difference, I'm guessing small rocks (sand) can fit into the drum space but not get out. So they act as an abrasive on the drum. However, wet mud is mostly smaller particles of silt and clay which can flow freely out of both brake systems. In my experience I get almost no noise from the drums, because the pads push the mud out the small opening between the cover and the drum, and I get constant noise from the front discs from more crap constantly dripping into the brake.

Really, for me, it's the rocks in the rotors that suck. If they are loud you can catch them before they wreck a rotor, but sometimes they squeal quietly and destroy the rotor by grooving it before you get them unstuck. Once the rock embeds in the pad a bit you are SOL.

I still can't wait to see BlueT wheeling a Colorado Diesel. If he's fixing a lot of crap on a Tacoma I can't wait to see what breaks on the Collie. Most of my friends with H3's and Colorados, which are only 3 people admittedly, are constantly replacing wear items every 30K miles. I'm sure GM hasn't changed much.

 

Mmmmmmmmm. Potatoes.

 

Always Potato!

 

I know you're being silly, but just because I'm pedantic...

Soil is classified by grain size. What you think of as "mud" is more accurately termed silt and/or clay. In terms of grain size, clay is the finest material, silt is coarser than clay, sand is coarser than silt, and gravel is coarser than sand. Most soils are a combination of clay, silt, sand, and gravel. Once dried, they can then be run through a set of sieves to determine their makeup.

It has been way too long since I was a geotechnical engineer, and I no longer have my textbooks. Near as I can find on the web, the basic classifications are:

gravel: 0.08 in. to 2.5 in.
sand: 0.0025 in. to 0.08 in.
silt: 0.00015 in. to 0.0025 in.
clay: 3.8×10−5 in. to 0.00015 in.

 

Just FYI I'm a P Ag. No need to get all soil sciencey.

You can usually tell the texture by hand feel if you have the water and some training.

 

Yup. That's how I was trained long ago. We would classify soil samples brought up by the drill rigs when performing foundation investigations.

 

Potatoes grow well on well drained, sandy, soils. Loamy soils with a good percentage of sand will give you the best potatoes.

So I'm going with a sandy loam is the best thing for disc/drums/potatoes.

 

That would depend upon the size of the kumquats.

 

Well BlueT showed up so you know things were either going to go to Deezul or Disc Brakes.

BlueT + + =

 

I'm curious to see how the two trucks stack up in terms of cup holders. I'd like to think the Tacoma has that market cornered.

 

Has anyone measured the room in either truck for dick swinging? I can already tell that might be the critical feature that wins this discussion.

 

I found the album cover