Car and Driver Comparison: 2016 Tacoma v. 2016 Colorado

Yup. This is why I stopped arguing. I realized it was just silliness. For me, once again, the Chevy locker is not as useful as a selectable locker. I did not like the autolocker on my Sierra in muddy conditions. Around town it was fine. I did tow a boat and always used 4WD to gain traction if the ramp was overly wet or in bad condition.

 

Reading this review tells me Chevy paid C&D more than Toyota. I'm guessing you'll see a Colorado ad within the first 10 pages of the magazine.

 

Hence why I compared the G80 to an LSD. They are more similar than the G80 is similar to a Detroit Locker.

 

Ditto

 

they sometimes will make recalls on a supposed non safety item if it is quite apparent and widespread

 

Sure seems like it! What "job" do you do that allows you to play in a forum the entire day?

 

I bet if C & D sided with the Tacoma, none of you would be saying "it's because Toyota paid them off."

 

Sterdog, all this talk and not once have you posted a single link to ANY evidence/fact based material backing up your "expertise." Not even a single picture of any of your vehicles giving you this "unbiased experience." All you do is spend the entire day trying to drown out people with words.

 

That's because Tacoma's are better.

 

But in all reality, it's been a very long time since I've seen a "shoot out" or "comparison" and the winner didn't have an ad in the first 10 pages.

 

I wasn't on the forum the entire day lol. If you want to get into an internet dick swinging contest over occupations go ahead. We can both claim to be CEO's and pull down 7 figure incomes.

In all honesty I work for an Agricultural company and I have access to a computer at all times, even in field. If it's a slow day or I'm going crazy taking samples, well, then you'll likely find me posting on here to keep sane. Sometimes I'm here a lot, sometimes I'm not here for days, it's the nature of the industry.

 

So if I put up a pile of pictures of an early 2000's GMC Z71 GFx 327 extended cab you'd trust me more?

In all honesty I have about zero pictures of anything I owned until about 5 years ago. I'm still young and when I was a kid there was no such thing as a camera phone, and even when there was, there was no iCloud or that sort of system.

Want a link, here's one from an unbiased source:

http://www.superchargersonline.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=32

Feed to much power through it, or use the wrong oil which causes the clutch to catch to often and:

I'm not the only guy who knows the G80 isn't the same thing as something like a Detroit Locker, if you even know what that is. Is it useful OR and in low traction situations? Yes. Is it a bulletproof system every manufacturer should switch too? God no. I'll stick with an aftermarket ARB locker. Even the stock locker on a Toyota or Ford is more reliable for what I need it for. If I needed on road traction on ice, I'd go to the TruTrac. Look that up. It has no clutch or wear parts. It's an LSD though so it's no good for when one wheel is totally free wheeling but at least it allows the other wheel to stay in static contact with the pavement. If you don't understand what I just said, go do your high school physics homework again.

Here's a CR article that mentions the problems with the Silverado in it's year of release. Ford has had no such problems:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/10/reality-check-on-new-car-reliability/index.htm

Oh, and just google up Colorado overheating or Colorado Atlas engine issues.

In your own words, go do your own homework . The last Colorado was an absolute joke for reliability, especially with the inline 5 in it early on. Was the 2nd gen Tacoma perfect? Hell no, but other than the first year motor mounts, and maybe the phantom skinny pedal issues, there wasn't anything that slowed you down offroad until the frame rusted out. Even then Toyota is going ahead and replacing the frames after warranty of trucks involved. It all speaks to the company philosophy.

That all being said, no one can comment about the new Tacoma or Colorado power trains long term because they are all new in those applications. Both use fairly proven motors, that have had minor issues years ago, but neither have been in a small truck before.

 

No one trusts reviews from companies paid for advertising. It's one of the reasons you have to be careful where you pull information from when you are online. Most of the pretty looking websites are funded by auto companies. Not only that, but if you are a automotive journalist and write terrible reviews for a company, you might not be invited to any more launch events and lose your ability to keep up with what other automotive journalists are writing about and what the market wants.

 

From YOUR source Sterdog... It basically says it's a great option for everything except superchargers lol. But GM designed superchargers are fine for these. Why provide me a source that proves MY point?

GM Factory Locking Differential – a Special Note

GM’s locking differential factory option (a.k.a. “gov-lok” or option code G80) is a notable choice that fits somewhere between a true “locking differential” and a “limited-slip differential.” Under normal conditions it behaves as an open differential. The mechanism inside uses a centrifugal flyweight that engages when a certain RPM difference between the right and left wheel is reached. Once engaged, a cam plate is forced to rotate in relation to one of the axle gears.

The more the wheel continues to slip, the more force will be exerted on the clutches until slippage stops. Once slippage has been stopped, the centrifugal flyweight resets itself. It is not uncommon for these mechanisms to engage and disengage in rapid succession during poor traction conditions. These differentials have clutch plates that look mechanically similar to a limited slip differential.

The factory GM locker is made by Eaton and should not be confused with the "Posi" (an LSD), which Eaton also makes. The factory GM lockers are all-around great performers. They work on the street and off road. They are also capable of pulling boats out of the water. Despite their apparent versatility, these differentials have limited usefulness in supercharged trucks. Due to this differential’s design it is possible to exceed the clutch’s ability to lock up against the slipping wheel if too much input torque is present. If this occurs, the cam plate can rotate far enough to literally explode the carrier in half.

Supercharger kits for GM trucks are designed with this and other powertrain limitations in mind. If your supercharged GM truck has additional performance parts and a factory locker, replacing the factory unit now with an aftermarket Limited Slip or Locking differential could save you time and transmission damage, in the future, if it should happen to fail.

 

I am not here to debate careers. There is nothing you can say to make me think the Air Force was a bad choice in life.

 

I never knocked your career choice? If anything I was trying to prevent the usual squabble on here that starts when someone from any sort of military service learns they will never make as much for uncle sam as someone who is well educated and in the private sector. I think military service is a great option for a lot of people. For me it never was a real option.

 

It is a notable choice. Sort of a jack of all trades option that still needs a lot of wheel spin to engage the lock. Once again, I never said it was a terrible option. If you are relying on it for a bit of a slippery paved slope or on road it's fine. It's just not the end all be all option you are making it out to be over a selectable locker. We can disagree on that you know .

What the OP is basically saying is that the stock supercharger kits don't produce enough power to blow out the rear. My point was that, if you are going to abuse the G80 running hills or lean on it offroad, you are either going to wear it out or blow it up.

 

I have already said multiple times it isn't a locker for racing use or extreme everyday off road use. It is the best option available for the weekend warrior type that also drives to work on pavement during the week. That's what these trucks are built for. The G80 is the best choice out there. The other lockers/differentials all cater to specific scenarios. The G80 works the best for the widest range of scenarios. And when on ice/snow, you use light throttle if you are smart. In LIGHT throttle, the wheels aren't going to be locking up and throwing you out of control. So those who keep knocking it for that situation are dumb for thinking that's how someone drives in those situations.

 

I disagree with what's in bold. On the forested, graveled, and rocky terrain I see on weekends when I get out I don't want to have to engage a ton of wheel spin to get lock up because it will bury me. I prefer the other solution, a selectable locker. End of story. Would you like to move on now or do you need to report back to 355nation for some high fivage.

 

You disagree but you haven't once listed ONE option that is better in ALL scenarios. You ONLY list options that are better in SPECIFIC scenarios.