Car and Driver Comparison: 2016 Tacoma v. 2016 Colorado

The full sized transit is now the size of the Sprinter. Ford is knocking Mercedes and Dodge around right now on pricing and options. I know a large telecom around here that just switched to Ford.

 

They do take up more room yes, but I still find they are much more reliable.

I hate the fact that toyota stopped making the 2J, that engine was amazing. even Nissans RB25 and RB26. Even the straights that BMW has always used, they're great engines. They last long and are nicely balanced, much smoother operation too.

I remember when I was talking to one of my friends instructors that hired me to do some electrical work for him, he was telling me how when it comes to balance nothing really matches the straight 6 unless you get into the v12.

 

Maybe it was clear to you.... But not to me.
I appologize for the mis communication....yes, you and I call it AWD. But, Honda in plane letters on the back of their previous Pilots and CRVs and in their literature, called it 4 wd. They always confuse me and were never that clear to me back then. So when I remember, I refer to Taco drive as "truck based 4 wd". Then let other car makers call it what the darn well please. ;-))

 

You mean it won't have a Pinto based engine ?

 

It's AWD in their literature. I wasn't trying to be a dick I was just stating that it's even AWD in their literature. I'm sure their 4WD badge makes people feel more macho than the AWD badge would to be honest.

It's sometimes foggy when it comes to which system is which now adays. Usually people say if a vehicle can mechanically lock the center differential at almost any spped then it is 4WD. Otherwise, it's AWD. IMHO the biggest difference is that a 4WD system is purely mechanical in implementation and allows you to install different differentials to achieve a full mechanically locked system if you desire fairly easily which helps out offroad. An AWD vehicle is usually such a complex arrangement of clutch packs and other torque vectoring systems that there isn't any way to make it mechanically lock up easily. Sure, the clutches can lock up, but with enough force you'll either break the housings or burn them out without an easy way to replace them with something else.

 

AWD is more geared towards roads whether they be dirt gravel or tarmac. They will send all power to which ever wheel has most traction. Probably the reason rally racing uses them. they dont offer hi or lo range, AWD seems more so like its better for constantly changing conditions or conditions where you dont feel like acting on it.

 

Yes. I agree. It's just that it wouldn't be hard to make an AWD with a low and high range or use a system like TRAC to send power in a 4WD to the tires with the best traction. Your generalisation is correct 99% of the time however in the fact that AWD is tuned towards high speed and driver control on loose surfaces and 4WD is tuned towards mud and obstacles at lower speeds. Both systems work just fine as long as the driver understands there limitations.

Trucks also have high torque motors that tend to fuck up clutch pack based systems lol.

 

After some research I found that the Gen I Tundra had two clutch-type LSD's available, the Eaton as an option on all models and a Kazuma clutch-type that I think came standard on the TRD 4WD models. Either way it's positraction with internal mechanical components that wear out as opposed to an ABS braking system for LSD.

I'm not a big fan of the ABS-based system, seemed to drag performance down instead of enhancing performance in low traction conditions at the rear wheels.

 

You should look into the TruTrac. It's not a locker. It's a true LSD. However it uses gearing and momentum to transfer power between the wheels. It can't lock up the wheels like the G80 but it also will not explode prematurely and it has no components like clutches to wear out.

 

very true. I personally have never owned 4x4, driven plenty but never owned. I've had a few different AWD though and driven a lot of them. Much better system for what I was doing at the time. But after going wheeling with friends and leaving the track, its a bit more fun at times. When I first started racing it was fun, after that I no longer enjoyed it as just having fun because I was getting way too competitive and its way too expensive.

But naturally I am more biased towards AWD, but I understand each has their limitations and applications.

 

Don't have that money to spend my friend great as Trutrac may be. I'll be living with this truck as is for a while. No leaks, no worries.

 

"Real Time 4 wd" is the most common I have seen Honda literature in the past refer to their AWD system. You could fill a book with the names of AWD and 4 wd systems given by manufacturers to make their system seem exclusive. My 4 Runner had a 2 wd and an AWD mode called correctly , full time 4 wd hi in the manual. It had a Torsten (torque sensitive ) lockable center diffenrtial and, a low speed transfer case. The center diff was similar to the one used in earlier Subarus....that would make it AWD to me...but it had low range, locked or unlock, ATrac and was really good in all conditions so that rightfully makes it full time 4 wd.

 

well if top gear is any indication of other areas, they call AWD 4 wheel drive there and 4x4, 4 by 4.

then again so does fifth gear. hell a lot of my cousins in italy call it 4 wheel drive too. or quattro. almost seems like awd is more of a north american term.

 

I hear you. Car makers think this way and have no interest in standardizing their 4 or all wheel drive system by name. This is especially true if it employs a hand that reaches up and Gooses you to give you one last thrill before your car spins out of control due to it's poor engineering.

 

With a square cab/bed config the Ridgeline will compete better. Shell manufacturers will build a shell that fits it. Instead of a niche truck it becomes a multipurpose truck.

The weird sloping cab to bed reminded me of the Subaru Outback 'truck' that nobody would build a shell for. Maybe Subaru will get into the midsize market with a truck bed also.

 

MSRP $32k
Base price for a Ridgeline
This is what hurt the sales more then anything.

 

Oh Jesus. I just wet my pants. What make does she cum with.

 

it kinda reminded me of the avalanche.

 

Resale

 

Just as well, she's getting along in years......