Carry with a chambered round???

I read that as the exact opposite that you apparently did. He didn't "...bet his life...", it was placed on the line for him by someone else. He most likely saved his life.

 

Yes i do

 

My comment was because he said something like "see it can be done"...talking about racking a round before the other guy can squeeze a round off. My point was, sure, it can be done but why would you bet you life on it. Just like jumping from a plane a 10,000ft without a chute. You "could" live...odds are, your not gonna though so why the hell would you do it?

 

Concealed carry is something that needs to be done with a LOT of thought and a LOT of practice drawing from the holster. I personally always carry a round in the chamber, but there are many pistols I wouldn't do that because of design. Anything with an exposed hammer, or with any remote chance the trigger is going to be contacted when bending over etc would concern me greatly. Most purpose built CCW pistols are pretty good though. My main goal is to prevent accidental discharge into my gentlemens region or other part of my body. I like the LW Seecamp .32 and .38 personally. VERY small, but quite potent in an up close and personal situation. It's small enough to be carried easily without burden or calling attention, while being comfortable enough to make sure you never mind carrying it.

 

A unloaded gun is called a hammer

 

I voted yes. I must say I don't know about all guns. Some like Glocks might not be so safe like others.
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You've assumed that you will have both hands able to cycle the slide. If one has already been injured, or is occupied with some other task...say, fending off an armed assailant....

 

That's why carry a DAO .357 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make that .357 shrouded hammer.
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The 357 SH is a bad ass MFER just make sure you look what's behind what your shooting................

 

That's fine if that's what you're most comfortable/proficient with.

But there's also nothing wrong with a semi-auto with a round chambered if the manual of arms for that piece is followed to the letter. A cocked & locked 1911 can be exceptionally safe in the hands of a knowledgeable, conscientious person who is precise and proficient in his/her handling of the weapon. I carried one that way for years with zero problems, but it made some people (friends) nervous, so I switched to a DA/SA, and then to a DAO, but mostly for more compact size & capacity (still in .45ACP).

And in case anyone cares, I've been a certified instructor, RSO, and CCW holder since the mid-80's. No AD's or mishaps on my watch.

 

LOL! +1

 

I always refer to them as paperweights...

 

I saw a post you made a while back about pulling your gun on a guy in a gas station parking lot (or something similar) because he smacked his kid... I don't think I can take your opinion on gun carrying very seriously.

What about the situations in which you are not being directly attacked, but are in a building, room, etc in which a threat is present. You may have the time to hide, rack, and fire. Or the situations in which your other arm is not injured? I'd MUCH rather carry a gun without a round chambered than a hammer/paper weight. Comparing the two is ludicrous. With that being said, I do carry with one chambered. DAO, no mech safety on my Kahr.

 

I have CCW and I carry Taurus TCP with one in the pipe. I have been carrying it every day for over a year. I do everything I would do with it on daily basis. It is in my front pocket in a pocket holster. The trigger is DAO only and requires force to squeeze. The key is to not to keep anything beside the gun in that pocket. And only go in that pocket if you take your gun in or out.

The other reason why I carry my TCP with one in the pipe is that the TCP is tricky to rack. If you dont rack it with enough force it wont rack... Thats what you get for buying a cheap gun...LOL If I have one in chamber, I know I will at least get one round off. I do hope that I never have to pull my gun out, but you never know people are crazy...

As far as the TCP being unreliable... Well its cheap, it wont feed cheap ammo. I tried Tul-ammo and Fiocchi. It will not feed those brands. I found out that it will feed Hornady XTP pretty reliably. The keep is to keep the gun lubed up...

 

The flaw with your "what if" is, you rarely, if ever, can know when or under what circumstances you will need to defend your life with your firearm. That time you talk about may not exist. Then, wouldn't you feel foolish? Or dead?

 

I have a Kimber Covert II I CC for two years when I lived in Illinois and worked on the west side of Chicago. Also before that a 1940's Ithaca 1911. I also have PX4,CX4 and the 45acp list goes on I have more .45acp than anything.

 

I'm only stirring the pot. Just trying to make the point that I hate the whole un-chambered round = rock/paperweight saying. It's just not the same.

Also thanks for providing input - it's nice to hear from people experienced in this field (trainers, leo, ccw teachers, etc...)

 

Everyone keeps talking about the time it takes to rack a round into the chamber. There is one very key, and likely more pertinent, thing that isn't being discussed as much. Physical ability to function the slide to rack or cock the firearm, and can you do it under duress?

Many types of very common crimes involve a physical struggle, such as muggings, rape and carjacking. In a physical struggle, you are very likely to not have the weak hand free to rack a round. There are cases where CCW holders nonchalantly pulled out their sidearm and shot an armed robber, which wouldn't be possible if they had to manually chamber a round.

Sure, there are some circumstances where you can get to cover and have the time and physical ability to chamber a round. It's just as common, if not more so, that you will not have time or the ability to chamber a round. There are far too many variables than can stop you from chambering a round, there are very few that will stop you from getting a shot off.

Anyone who doesn't carry their gun with a round chambered is not mentally prepared to do what needs to be done if the time comes. The same reason cited over and over for them not chambering a round when they carry is fear. A person who is not confident enough to carry a loaded firearm should not be carrying at all. An unloaded and unfired firearm on a dead guy was effectively a paperweight.

 

we can all debate the multitude of "what if" scenarios all day, ...but there is, at least, one poignant facet to the idea of carried unloaded w/ the idea of charging the gun in time of need:

...any time you manipulate the weapon (i.e. "rack" the slide), you introduce a chance of inducing a malfunction, ...something that is not all too unlikely if you are reacting to a surprise assault, ...trying to clear cover garments, and rip the slide back fully...

...if it's me, ...i'd sure as hell want to eliminate as many opportunities for problems ahead of time, ...and that obviously means the gun is in a condition of readiness... if you've trained in doing malfunction drills, especially under simulated duress, and while moving to minimize your exposure, you quickly realize how devastating it would be to have to clear malfunctions in the midst of an attack... the only thing worse would be if you induced the malfunction at the scene

 

I've had my CCW permit for at least 5 hours now. From the time I brought it home until now I've had one in the pipe... I intend to keep it that way.

 

Well said.