Carry with a chambered round???

21ft was the absolute minimum with the "victim" expecting the attack.
That is the minimal reaction and draw time.

Most are now saying that 30ft is a better rule of thumb, because it allows some time for threat recognition in the real world.

 

I agree with the above poster in that if you can't safely carry a gun with a round chambered, you shouldn't be carrying a gun... period. There is a reason why professionals carry with one in the tube.

I whole heartedly believe that guns give people this false sense of security. They feel like if they just have one somewhere on them that they are now somehow invincible. Never mind the fact that it's a .380 strapped to their ankle or buried in their pocket where there is no way in hell they could get to it in a timely manner.

There aren't many ways to carry a primary weapon on a daily basis that actually makes sense. You pretty much have strong side appendix carry or plain strong side carry. Small of back sucks, kidney kind of sucks and pocket and ankle carry are just plain stupid for a primary weapon.

And no offense to anybody but these sub compact and ultra compact guns are a joke too, if you're going to carry a gun, carry a damn gun (midsize/compact 9mm or larger) and don't cheap out on one either, you're life may just rely on it one day. You're not going to catch the likes of Larry Vickers, Chris Costa, Travis Haley, Kyle Lamb etc... carrying an LCP.

 

chambered or not. if i already have my gun drawn on you, youre better off leaving yours holstered or you are a dead man if you ermake a go for yours.

 

Thanks for the input. I have a sub compact in .40 - is that a real gun?

Just joking.

But I do understand your point. Just recently there was a fairly well publicized incident in which a women was defending herself in her home and she shot the intruder i think 4 or 5 times IN THE FACE with a 380 and he lived. It did take him down and they were able to get away, so it did it's job. But that's just one of those situations where a little more power could have helped in case he did keep going at them.

With all that said, i do actually like the LCP haha

 

It is easy to imagine a situation where you are injured and can't rack a round and have to fire one-handed, maybe even off-handed. Carry with a round in the chamber in my opinion...

 

True, thanks!

 

I tend to agree with the articles someone posted above. The average day to day person has to weigh the risks and probabilities. The reality vs the hypothetical.

Getting into a critical situation where having to chamber a round means the difference in life or death is like the lottery odds for most people, largely hypothetical.

I'm not talking about police/miitary/security jobs where the odds are way higher.

But carrying is a 100% real and serious activity that has to be analyzed thoroughly. You have balance the risks accordingly.

 

Three years ago we had a shooting in the city I responded to. A subject was shot in the face four times with a .45 when he wouldn't pay his debt from playing dice. I marked the location of the casings, so yes I'm sure it was a .45. He lived, he looks a bit different then before, but he's still out being a turd.

Being shot with a larger caliber bullet is not an automatic death sentence. I'm not advocating carring a .22 for personal defense, just don't get a false sense of security because you carry a large caliber.

 

Exactly. We do this drill with simunitions. Depending on the officer and the attacker (instructor) we've seen the attacker close distance of 30 feet without being hit and in these scenarios the officer is expecting the attack.

 

It was.. 5 shots. Dirtbag just got out of jail prior to this. Crashed his explorer down the street from the home.

 

It takes less than a second. Training is the difference.

I do not carry a chambered round in my Glock 23 unless I know I am proceeding into a situation with a high likelihood I will be using it. I practice, practice and practice making my left hand charge the weapon as I bring it up after drawing it before moving the left hand to the support position. It takes less than one second.

In the meantime I am not in danger of an accidental discharge re-holstering (amaxing how often that happens), nothing is going to go off if the gun is dropped and if the object of my attention is able to take away the gun before I can use it it is not charged giving me that instance to hit him between the eyes and take the gun back.

 

Most NDs during re-holstering are caused by crappy, wore out, or just plain cheap holsters coupled with ill training.


This "I'll chamber one if I need it" attitude will get you hurt. If you cannot confidently handle a loaded firearm, the rest of the concealed carry community would like you to leave your gun home. Thanks!

I would also like to complement you on your fantasy situation to where you overpower an assailant who obviously was large enough to take your gun from you. Yea, that's really gonna happen outside a movie.

 

There are quite a number of extremely large professional law enforcement agencies whose policy is to carry without a round in the chamber. The LAPD was one of those for quite a long time though I do not have any recent experience with them so they may have changed their policy.

 

carry with one in the chamber always. with every gun, everywhere. unless theyre cleaned and put in the case. i have numerous loaded guns in my place, dsclaimer- if i had kids that would be different but its just me and my gf.


i think the majority of people who carry without one in the chamber simply dont trust the gun and think that its going to go off at any moment.

 

Some of us are old enough to have some actual "Been there, done that" experience. Before retention holsters were as prevalent as they are now there was this thing called surprise from behind. Turning around and slugging the perp between the eyes actually works very well. If there is a round chambered you are nothing but dead.

Let's hope it never happens to you because I was able to walk away from the incident. You'd just be dead.

 

Really? I don't want him to leave his gun at home.

 

I just stumbled across this very interesting thread. I personally carry loaded all the time. On duty and off.

In the role as LEO, the above "bold" quote makes sense as I am forced to draw my sidearm for a number of reasons. When I am not on-duty... and carrying in a concealed manner as a licensed CCW holder...the only reason the gun comes out of hiding is when I intend on using it. A gun, in a CCW role is not an intimidation tool. It's a life saving tool. Maybe I'm off base here but if you are pulling your gun...as a CCW holder...the decision to shoot should have already been made for you...by the asshole who is leading the encounter. My .02

I haven't read all the posts so if this is redundant...my appologies.

 

i agree with you, but i think that if someone saw you drawing a firearm they might try to run, so you would need to reevaluate to see if they continued to run or if they decide to come after you instead of the person they were attacking.

 

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