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Castle and queen to protect... Need advice

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Black07Taco, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. Nov 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM
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    I would go with a 9mm and a 20 guage. Contrary to popular belief, the 12 guage and 20 guage arent that different in a home protection scenario. You hit someone with either buck shot, they're going down. The difference is the recoil. If your wife cannot handle a 12 guage, it is impractical for tactical home defense.

    On the handgun subject, i say a 9mm since it is a universal round for female and male. Meaning your wife should be able to handle that as well. I don't think you should get a .40 unless you are very comfortable with that round, and your wife too. Since, the .40 is a snappy round.
     
  2. Nov 10, 2011 at 3:52 PM
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    Thinkingman - Hey it's ok that your a Nazi about accurate info. I'm just having a hard time figuring out which part my info is inaccurate?

    I used words like "less likely" and "more likely" because that's what I meant. Do you not agree that a .223/5.56 round is more likely to travel through more walls than buckshot? Obviously there's always going to be variables such as plumbing, electric, gas, metal lathe, nails, etc that could cause a bullet/buckshot to tumble off into oblivion, so getting specific is useless, too many variables IMHO.

    You've dissected my posts, which is fine, I've got explanations. But all your doing now is asking "how many walls?" and correcting me on my dumb-ass mis-quote?

    So what's next? Did I make a spelling error above? I've said what I need to say to the OP. I'll stand behind it. If you've got some constructive perspective/opinion to enlighten us with about home defense scenarios, please by all means say it already.
     
  4. Nov 10, 2011 at 4:05 PM
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    Seeing as how we're all so full of "misinformation" here

    Instead of arguing over how all 3 rounds are terrible and how everyone is wrong...why not enlighten us to just WHAT is an ideal round
     
  5. Nov 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM
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    The IDEAL round is the one that hits its target.
     
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    ^^ you guys need to stop comparing apples to oranges. You're both right. YES, a HP and a 12 gauge are LESS likely to go through walls......BUT they still can. Not much more to argue about. When firing indoors, anything is possible.
     
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    12 gauge filled with rock salt! :)
     
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  10. Nov 10, 2011 at 4:13 PM
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    I belive a well placed shot with a rubber band, to the eye, could cause sufficient incapacitation........
     
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    What if they have glasses?
     
  12. Nov 10, 2011 at 5:00 PM
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    Use a hollow point rubber band. :cool:
     
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    Where may i accumulate some of these special rubber bands that you speak of?

    :anonymous::spy:
     
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    hahahhahhaha YES!
     
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    Wow, thanks for that. Gonna have to completely disagree with you though. With a shotgun and buckshot loads, you're going to get as much or more penetration than a 5.56 softpoint. If you're using birdshot, you're very likely not going to get the penetration needed on the bad guy. I don't know of a single reliable source that recommends birdshot for HD. Plus with a shotgun there is pattern spread from the initial point of aim, so as distance increases, you have an increasing chance of hitting bystanders behind walls with at least one pellet - and remember a 00 pellet is about the diameter of a 9mm round.

    Same with 9mm, 45, etc. Anything that reliably penetrates bad guys will penetrate walls - even a HP 9mm round that will probably plug and not expand anyway.

    I keep my AR loaded with TAP rounds, which are basically a V-max 60 gr bullet. Plenty of explosive (guaranteed) fragmentation that still does significant damage to the bad guy.
     
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    The Taurus judge 410 shot and 45 long colt for in the woods. If you go another route and are worried about over pen get the frangiable ammo.
     
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    It comes down to training and a plan everyone in that house that you are protecting should know the plan. I live with my Mom, Dad, and Sister, if someone is in our house we grab our guns and go to my sisters room which is at the end of the house and call the cops and stay there if we can't get out. If we can get out we will go to a neighbors house and call the police to handle it. All the MATERIAL ITEMS in a house can be replaced, it is NOT worth killing someone over no matter how much sentimental value it has. If they threaten someone in my family they will be fired upon until I feel safe that the threat has been eliminated, if that means that I killed them fine. If that means just a beanbag to center mass, even better. I hope and pray every day that I never have to fire upon a human being for any reason. As for the best ammo has anyone ever heard of a Glaser safety slug? They claim that the bullets will only penetrate soft tissue or one layer of dry wall. It is basically a regular hallow point with a ceramic tip and 12 gauge shot held in by a ceramic tip that when it hits on object the round will penetrated, the tip will shatter sending out the shots and spreading the round, and penetrate nothing more than soft tissue.
     
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    Or you could do like battle pope and dig a moat fill it with sharks that have lasers on their heads and let the sharks kill the intruder that way there is no body to be found just feed it to the sharks which you've kept hungry for a day like this.
     

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