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Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Dirty5Thirty, Jan 4, 2012.

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Which CCW should I get, if any?

Poll closed Feb 3, 2012.
  1. Only California

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  2. Only Utah

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  3. Only Nevada

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  4. All three

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  5. None/Other

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  1. Jan 4, 2012 at 3:48 AM
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    Dirty5Thirty

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    So I have been looking into getting my CCW for California, as well as getting certified with Utah and Nevada. Most states have agreed to accept permits from atleast one of these states, so if I have all three, I'll be certified throughout most of the country.

    The big question, is do I only worry about the California test? Or should I get licensed in all states? I don't leave California often, except for maybe a run to Reno every now and then. I am going to Utah in a couple weeks for a 4 day trip, and was contemplating starting the process while I was there.

    Utah and Nevada are pretty easy to get. California is where it becomes a pain in the ass.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Jan 4, 2012 at 3:52 AM
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    Get them all. Best to have as many as u can get so you don't have to worry about carrying in different states.
     
  3. Jan 4, 2012 at 4:29 AM
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    Yeah, the Sheriff up here in Placer county is very pro-gun and concealed carry. My step-dad acquired his CCW just a couple months ago.

    As for the reciprocity, I do understand this, which is why I was looking into all 3. Utah's is the most accepted, being accommodated in something like 30 or 32 states I believe. With California and Nevada included, your open carry permits should include everything but New York, Hawaii, and the District of Columbia iirc
     
  4. Jan 4, 2012 at 4:30 AM
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    Exactly :) which is why I kinda wanna get all 3 and then I won't have to worry, will just avoid New York and DC
     
  6. Jan 4, 2012 at 5:06 AM
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    Good find. Who likes the east coast anyways? :eek:
     
  7. Jan 4, 2012 at 5:07 AM
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  9. Jan 4, 2012 at 5:24 AM
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    Seriously good luck getting one in Cali, its pratically impossible. Utah is one of the best ones to have so definately get that one. I dont think Cali recognizes anyone elses. I have 4 of them (washington, Oregon, Utah, Florida) and none are recognized in Cali.
     
  10. Jan 4, 2012 at 5:25 AM
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    Well if the Federal reciprocity law passes, soon i hope there wont be any need to have more than one. This law will enable anyone with a CHL from any state to carry in any state Except Illinois and New York i think. Its already passes the house so hopefully not much longer.
     
  11. Jan 4, 2012 at 5:39 AM
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    Placed county is an easy one. All you need is a clean background, and one good, valid reason. To protect myself, and my family.
     
  12. Jan 4, 2012 at 5:54 AM
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    I have Arizona & Utah (Utah class offered locally in AZ).
     
  13. Jan 4, 2012 at 6:00 AM
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    I voted none/other cause I live in NC , most states wont let you get a ccw unless you live in that state.Yes I CCW all the time a IWI Baby Desert Eagle 9mm 15 rd mag. full size.Tool althe the way to Fl.and back no problems they rec.NC law.:cool:
     
  14. Jan 4, 2012 at 6:11 AM
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    You are greatly misinformed sir!

    Most states offer a non-resident permit. However, a few states like CO, MI, SC & FL (plus a couple of the New England States) require you to be a resident of the state that your permit was issued.
     
  15. Jan 4, 2012 at 6:12 AM
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    Arizona non-resident permit is cheaper than a NV permit and covers NV (as of July 2011).
     
  16. Jan 4, 2012 at 6:37 AM
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    Some states, including AZ before we went to ccw w/o permit, will not allow you to carry in the state you reside in on another states permit. So, if you live in NV, you will need a NV permit to carry in NV (just an example, I don't know that much about NV/s ccw laws). But your AZ non-resident permit would allow you to carry in all other states that AZ has reciprocity with.

    Did that make since?
     
  17. Jan 4, 2012 at 10:21 AM
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    I'm aware that an Indiana resident got ticketed (while driving) in Illinois for having a concealed carry weapon (with permit) and Illinois had to eat the ticket after it went up to the federal level. It made pretty big news right around the time Iowa passed their CCW law. Where I live in Illinois is right on the Mississippi River and the Iowegians were very skeptical to carry into Illinois until this happened. Many work in Illinois or attend concerts/shows at the I-Wireless center in Moline.

    Seems to me as though with 48 out of 50 states on board with concealed carry they should all reciprocate on this law...
     
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    The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill H.R. 822, introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes. A state's laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. It would not create a federal licensing system; rather, it would require the states to recognize each others' carry permits, just as they recognize drivers' licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995.
    • H.R. 822 recognizes the significant impact of the landmark cases, District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010), which found that the Second Amendment protects a fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms and that the protections of the Second Amendment extend to infringements under state law.
    • Today, 49 states have laws permitting concealed carry, in some circumstances. Forty states, accounting for two-thirds of the U.S. population, have right-to-carry laws. Thirty-six of those have "shall issue" permit laws (including Alaska and Arizona, which also allow carrying without a permit), two have fairly administered "discretionary issue" permit laws, and Vermont (along with Alaska and Arizona) allows carrying without a permit. (Eight states have restrictive discretionary issue laws.)
    • Citizens with carry permits are more law-abiding than the general public. Only 0.01% of nearly 1.2 million permits issued by Florida have been revoked because of firearm crimes by permit holders. Similarly low percentages of permits have been revoked in Texas, Virginia, and other right-to-carry states that keep such statistics. Right-to-carry is widely supported by law enforcement officials and groups.
    • States with right-to-carry laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, right-to-carry states have 22 percent lower total violent crime rates, 30 percent lower murder rates, 46 percent lower robbery rates, and 12 percent lower aggravated assault rates, compared to the rest of the country. The seven states with the lowest violent crime rates are right-to-carry states. (Data: FBI.)
    • Crime declines in states with right-to-carry laws. Since adopting right-to-carry in 1987, Florida's total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 32 percent and 58 percent, respectively. Texas' violent crime and murder rates have dropped 20 percent and 31 percent, respectively, since enactment of its 1996 right-to-carry law. (Data: FBI.)
    • The right of self-defense is fundamental, and has been recognized in law for centuries. The Declaration of Independence asserts that "life" is among the unalienable rights of all people. The Second Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms for "security."
    • The laws of all states and the constitutions of most states recognize the right to use force in self-defense. The Supreme Court has stated that a person "may repel force by force" in self-defense, and is "entitled to stand his ground and meet any attack made upon him with a deadly weapon, in such a way and with such force" as needed to prevent "great bodily injury or death." (Beard v. United States (1895))
    • Congress affirmed the right to own guns for "protective purposes" in the Gun Control Act (1968) and Firearm Owners' Protection Act (1986). In 1982, the Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on the Constitution described the right to arms as "a right of the individual citizen to privately possess and carry in a peaceful manner firearms and similar arms."
    It is important to note that, despite what a handful of self-proclaimed "pro-gun" activists claim, H.R. 822 would not create a federal registration or licensing system, nor would it establish a minimum federal standard for a carry permit. Rather, it would require the states to recognize each others' carry permits, just as they recognize driver's licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Unfortunately, these self-proclaimed "gun rights" supporters, who have no active lobbying presence in Congress or any legislature, have an agenda that has very little to do with promoting the interests of gun owners.
    Here are the FACTS about a few of their claims:
    Myth: H.R. 822 would involve the federal bureaucracy in setting standards for carry permits, resulting in "need" requirements, higher fees, waiting periods, national gun owner registration, or worse.
    FACT: H.R. 822 doesn't require -- or even authorize -- any such action by any federal agency. In fact, since it would amend the Gun Control Act, it would fall under a limitation within that law that authorizes "only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out" the GCA's provisions. No federal rules or regulations would be needed to implement H.R. 822, which simply overrides certain state laws.
    Myth: H.R. 822 would destroy permitless carry systems such as those in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.
    FACT: H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states' laws work within those states. For residents of Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make those permits valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents. Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.
    Myth: If H.R. 822 moved through the legislative process, it would be subject to anti-gun amendments.
    TRUTH: By this logic, neither NRA, nor any other pro-gun group, should ever promote any pro-gun reform legislation. But inaction isn't an option for those of us who want to make positive changes for gun owners. Instead, we know that by careful vote counting and strategic use of legislative procedure, anti-gun amendments can be avoided or defeated.
    Posted: 2/22/2011 12:00:00 AM
     
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