Charge pipes v FMIC

Good fuel (like shell) and staying up on the maintenance (oil changes) is the best for engine life. Turbo engines love good fuel and staying up on your oil changes when the weather is harsh.

 

This. You might get better overall power but at the expense of low end power. For this price, get the intake (stock intake has been shown to kind of suck), and 91 octane should get you north of 300 crank?

 

This is not the case on the 4G. You won't notice any decrease in spool time with the super small turbine wheel on this truck.

We have been testing the FMIC for months now and there is no degradation or measurable increase in spool time between the Mishimoto FMIC and stock FMIC.

 

Sxth claimed Toyota's FMIC was undersized and show big gains and huge drops (50* IRRC) in temps pre-FMIC temps due to less flow restriction. However, I don't know what RPM they were taking their measurements.

Its not a new concept; generally speaking, a higher volume FMIC will always create more lag.

I would at least wait to see a proper dyno before committing to a bigger intercooler (especially given the price).

The charge pipes won't do anything if you keep your stock FMIC.

Changing the stock intake shows big gains across the board. Testing has shown the stock intake pressure will actually go negative due to the air flow restrictions into the box. If you want performance, invest in a new air box first.

 

I have the sxth element air box already. Zach said the data should be coming out soon on the FMIC

 

Skeptical that CAIs are anything more than eye candy. OEM TRD Pro intake doesn't increase power - or at least doesn't claim it does/rate the Pro engines higher. They do rate the TH power lower because of the snorkel.

 

Its a brand new truck and youtube has already got you worried longevity lol

If funds are an issue stay off the internet and enjoy your truck

 

Mostly yes. But these aren't "CAI" - they are using the same air source as stock but have much bigger (and better designed) air path.

One of the vendors showed some testing data and the Toyota intake was at negative pressure at a rather low RPMs (1.5-3k iirc). That means the Turbo demand was higher than the intake was able to flow.

Most testing I've see saw a HUGE gain with a new intake, including monster torque gains (20+) around the 1800-3000 RPM range. I take vendor claims with a grain of salt but if you look on youtube, there are multiple vendors and non vendor dyno tests that show gains with the intake:

Note the 2.6ish RPM:


You probably won't see much gains daily but when you put your foot down, you'll notice.

 

SXTH isn't wrong about the intercooler's efficiency; our testing corroborates their published findings. However, the size difference between the cores isn't that different, being primarily thicker with similar frontal area.

Our independent testing is not going to show the intercooler showing significant "gains" on a dyno chart; its value is in sustained high-load situations from our testing, a vital component.

Re: the Lag increase due to an increase in volume. I'm not cleared to publish the specs on the intercooler sizing. Still, the volume increase is rather insignificant, especially compared to platforms that add upwards of 100-200% more volume when adding an FMIC. Were' talking less than 5% change here with the addition of the FMIC on THIS platform. I've personally instrumented the truck and, through data acquisition, cannot measure any difference in response/spool based on what is measured with equipment using a 100Hz sampling rate. It's not a factor.








Charge pipes, I will agree with you on 100%. Especially considering the throttle body elbow necking down to ~40mm ID just before the throttle body. Changing the charge pipe is pointless (in our opinion) until the TB elbow is addressed.



Best,
Justin
Overland Tailor Tuning

 

VF Tuning has a new elbow coming to market thats ready for preorder that gets rid of the step down.

 

We were the ones working with him to bring it to market

 

nice. we've been working with Matt on the Frontier side of things. i'm genuinely curious to see what kind of gains the elbow makes.

 

Where can I read about this throttle body elbow?

 

https://vftuner.com/products/vf-throttle-inlet-pipe-toyota-2-4l-turbo

 

Will it require a tune afterwards?

 

tune is not required is what i'm being told. i asked if there would be a noticeable power bump and they said there should be but haven't had a chance to dyno test it yet

 

I just looked on the truck. How do you even take this thing out. It looks like it is very hard to access.

 

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