Cloning 2 sets of TPMS sensors

Hey @SuperAir thanks for the reply. Im pretty far out from the piscat. I appreciate it though. So you have to get the more expensive one to copy senor ID's ? My buddy has a shop down the road and says his snap on programmer works with the autel sensors, so I am going to grab the sensors and bring them to him to see if its possible to copy the steel ids to the alloy ones.

 

No you can copy sensor ids with the cheaper one. You just can’t change the sensor ids in the ecu with the cheaper one. So you can clone new sensors to
Your old ids. You just can’t copy new “preprogrammed” ids to your ECM to change them if that makes sense. Pretty sure the autel sensors can only be learned with an Autel tool. At least that’s what they claim. Maybe in hopes people will buy the tool too ??

 

we still have a few more weeks before i change out my winter tires anyways. i will see if the snap on tool works if not I will get the tool. im very curious if it will work without their tool. I will def report back with my findings. which sensors should I get? also which stems im seeing rubber or metal? my steels have metal "obviously"

 

A lot of these questions boil down to:
1) you can get the sensor IDs from the wheels with the tool
2) you can get the sensor IDs from the ECU with an ODBII tool

you can clone new/additional sensors to mimic your stock set, so that you can swap them when needed.

You can read the stock set from the ECU to clone into a replacement set.

I did this when I swapped my OR set with a fellow Twer’s SR steelies (swapped ECU info). Then later learning the sensors to add to my ECU from the TSS set I put on.

an Autel (I have a 401) and TechStream are your friends…
You can of course sell it in BST or local if you don’t see it’s need after.

 

I appreciate this info. Im going to see if my friends snap on tool will be able to get the oem sensor ids and transfer them to the autel sensors... if not i will order the tool i suppose. which sensors should I purchase? also any insight on decent lugs? i got some OR wheels for dirt cheap but they didnt have sensors or lugs. TIA man, much appreciated.

 

If it can’t, follow these instructions to do TS and get them. The replacement doesn’t have to be autel. Most systems/brands have a programmable sensor that will work and have adjustable angles for rim types. The angle is to clear the tire bead and tire removal tool. Most tire shops these days have them. The problem is typically the premium they want to charge (profit) due to labor AND materials. I’ve seen as ridiculous as $140/ea. and as nice as $60 set. The batteries do die, which will require replacement.

 

I'm a bit late to the game but theAutel sensors, MX 1 dual frequency is a very good sensor. A lot of shops use the Autel system due to its dual frequency functionality and they don't have to stock a shitpot of different sensors for different cars.

I bought the TS508 scanner and am now running a set of Autel sensors in my Taco because one of the OEMs died at about 5000 miles and 2 fucking dealers wouldn't warranty it when I took it in and they wanted outlandish money to replace/program. My local shop uses Autel and wanted $360 to replace all 4 and program when I put new wheels on so for $400 and change, I bought the tool and 4 sensors and have now eliminated the bullshit from my life by going DIY. I just copy/paste the OEMs from the ECU and pasted into the new sensors. Just did the same with a new set of wheels and tires for my new RAV4 Moon Rock. Kept the OEM tires/wheels and now have Wildpeaks & KMC Treks on that while I store the OEMs with original sensors.

Use the Autel rubber or metal stems as you please. They are all easy adjusted for angle on set up, have screw in or snap in stems, your choice, and you can also buy individual components so if you want to replace stems after a change or 2, you can buy stems and nit replace the electronic parts.

As for lugs, I'm super impressed with the inexpensive Gorilla Lugs from Amazon. Less than $40 for 20 black splined conical seat lugs on the KMC's and that included socket. The other $40 black lugs I put on the Taco are like OEM's. They have a casing around the lug and dent real easy on install. I'm buying Gorillas for that now because the finish is a good, durable plating.

I thought the Gorillas were shit at first because they came in a bulk bag just bouncing around and grinding on each other when in reality, after a quick polish with a microfiber, they look great and the finish is proofed by their means of transport. The shanked mag lug you need for OEM wheels only come in unsplined versions as far as I can tell.

 

Thanks for the link! the wheels are from a sport they didnt have tires or sensors. Since i own an sr i have stock steelies onfor winter. I snagged these wheels for my summer set. I know him fairly well and he said he would try to clone them for me for free so we will see, i will be posting my findings. this will specifically help others out for sure.

 

Thats crazy that they wouldnt warranty that! I believe oem sensors are around 60 bucks each not including labor which is outrageous. I ended up buying a full set of new oem black lugs on ebay for 67 dollars which isnt horrible.

Hopefully your wildpeaks last longer than mine did. I spanked them in 30k DTD was more than helpful and credited me 75 for each tire towards my next purchase which was awesome.

Hopefully my buddies snap on tool will be able to do this so I wont have to purchase the tool. you ended up purchasing the more expensive one though right?

 

These are a different Wildpeak. These are A/T Trails on the RAV. 680 Treadwear A for traction and temp w/60k warranty. I'm just assuming your referring to the AT3 since it's a truck. But we shall see how they last. So far on the road, they are not really any different as far as noise, ride, and mileage then the OEM Firestone Destinations LE.

 

New to this whole TPMS thing too. Please let me know if I am reading this wrong. My truck currently has steel SR wheels. I want to keep those for winters. I plan to buy some alloy wheels for summer coming up here. If I buy the 408 hand held, I can clone my current steel wheel tpms's and use that on my alloy wheels as well? After doing that, the truck shouldn't need to have the ecu looked at since it thinks it sees the same 4 wheels all year long even though it is actually 2 sets? I am just trying to make sure I understand before I buy things thinking I can do something that I really can't.

 

Correct. Very easy.

Get 4 Clone sensors, I prefer Autel, scan your steel wheel sensor IDs, and write them down. Then enter one ID per new clone sensor. When you swap to the alloys, put the steelies away, get out the OM, and read how the TPMS button by your left knee works. Re-set sensor location and off you go.

No programming or reading the PCM/ECU!

 

You would be correct. If I'm not mistaken, with the 408, you would be copying (cloning) the sensor ID from the sensors themselves and then programming that info into the new set of sensors you would buy. You would be achieving what you wish to do.

Now, just to complicate that thought so you know, my 508 connects to the OBDII and I can read the info off the ECU, copy it, and then clone the new sensors. I had to do this because one of my OEM sensors was dead even though it was only <5k old. The only place I could find the ID was on the ECU via OBDII. The 408 does not do OBDII reading, IIRC. So, if you were to have a sensor croak on you and not be able to read it's original ID, you'd be limited in dealing with that situation. Since you already have a set of sensors on the truck, that's not an issue right now. Just thought I throw that out there as for limitations you might have with a 408.


EDIT: One thing you will experience having 2 identical sets is your TPMS System will go to 0 when you patk at home. You'll get a TPMS warning, too. Your unused sensors will cause this unless you get them far away from your car....and it's a distance I've learned. My 3 OEM sensors are in an obviously shitty faraday back in my home office which is the furthest point from where my truck sits. My TPMS still goes to shit when I pull into my driveway. I read deep in the 508's manual that sensors need to be some 300' away, IIRC. As soon as I drive out of my driveway, it all clears up and within seconds or maybe a minute or so, my readings pop up on the MID.

My wife's RAV does the same since I have kept the OEM wheels and tires and they're in my backyard covered and on a tire dolly.

Speaking of which, I just bought this dolly in case you snowbound folks might be interested. Only $50 on Amazon and this thing is WAY solid. Great deal and I had it in 2 days!

$50 MaxxHaul 80746 Tire Dolly, 300 lb. Capacity

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0753PNNS8?ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details

 

Okay, thanks guys!

 

Hi, thanks for all that info. That helps me out too.

Question for you. For the tire outside what did you use to cover them, just a tarp? Any good suggestions?

Also, if you had to do it again and you own the Autel TS508 with OBDII would you clone or just write new codes on the Autel MX-Sensors so you don’t have to deal with tryck TPMS system going to 0 and do a full relearn/program when you swap winter tires?

 

If you have two sets of wheels, one set with OEM sensors and the second with clone sensors copying the OEM sensor ID#s, there is no programming. You have to use the TMPS button by your left knee and follow what your owner's manual says.

If you write new codes to the aftermarket sensors, you have to program those ID#s to the truck.

 

Hi I understand that. My question is about if you had to do it again and you own the Autel TS508 with OBDII and MX Sensors would you:

A) do it again and clone Autel MX-Sensors sensors for the second set of tires to the OEM codes and deal with the truck TPMS system going to 0 and giving an error when parked too close to the second set of tires until you drive away from the second set.

Or

B) just program new unique Autel MX-Sensor codes on the second set of tires. Then just reprogram the ECU using the TS508 through the OBDII when swapping from summer to winter. Looks fairly easy.

Is option B better in the long run since you don’t deal with duplicate sensors and errors when being parked close to your second set. Feel like if you have the TS508 with OBDII you’d just program the ECU ever tire swap and not deal with the error.

Thoughts?

 

I bought these 2 gizmos to deal with the extras. VERY handy to be able to roll them easily out of the way.


MaxxHaul 80746 Tire Dolly, 300 lb. Capacity

$50 MaxxHaul 80746 Tire Dolly, 300 lb. Capacity

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Heininger 5392 Large GarageMate TireHide (Fits up to 30" Tires)

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As for reprogramming? I'm not sure I'd go through the extra steps, especially if my storage location didn't interfere with my current set on the truck. If it were an issue, I'd guess reprogramming would be the smarter plan.

 

You know tires roll on their own Tim, right?


Thankfully I use tires with the 3 peak snow designation instead of dedicated winter tires.

Now I just rotate yearly, with my yearly oil change due to the low mileage I put on. I got the lazy part down pretty good!!!!

 

The first sentence is correct. The second sentence is definitely not correct. My spare tire/wheel is identical to the 4 OEM service tires/wheels, including the sensor. No problem with the TPMS. The ECU is "blind" to the extra sensor. It only sees the 4 sensors that are programmed into it. If I do a 5-tire rotation and mount the spare, the ECU will have to be reprogrammed.

The batteries in the sensors only last between 5 and 10 years. When they inevitably die, you will have to decide whether to replace the sensors (as much as $100 each) or to just live with the warning lights on the dash. (Such is the case with my wife's 2011 Corolla.) This is why I hate the TPMS system. It represents a needless expense for an older vehicle, and if you don't replace the sensors, the warning light is worse than useless.