Colorado B.S. Thread

Mixed feelings, it should help the state economy but I like cheap things

 

If it was going to be done.. It should've also provided websites with easy access to a list of taxes per area so there aren't issues like this.
*no idea if it did or didn't...just that it should. It may be on rockauto or whoever does their website for not updating in time.

 

Way to try and keep it classy, we know this occupies the #1 slot for both lists.

 

The internet sales tax was started in Colorado under the idea it would help brick and mortar, mom and pop, etc businesses compete with online businesses. I haven't seen a study produced that documents the impact. So far the only thing it has helped is the state government. I have more to say, but then I would get a forced vacation from TW for Christmas.

 

I was gonna order a new throw out bearing but now I'm having second thoughts and considering doing the clutch again since I have to take it apart that far anyways

 

Yep, Supreme Court ruled it is legal back in Summer, Didn't realize CO was doing it in 2018 (Granted Dec but still).

 

A lot of mom and pop shops are dreading this because of how much more labor they need to put into bookkeeping. Or conversely paying an accountant to do it for them. Could affect their ability to remain profitable in a time of retail where its hard enough for them to compete as is.

Throw in the Gallagher Amendment and TABOR as well... and small businesses in CO get gangbanged by the gov’t.

 

Have a link? I can add it/order one.

 

1st registration on my 2018 was $915. This included an additional $50 because I chose the Wildlife Sporting plate over the regular plate.

 

I had to get tires shipped to Florida. Had to pay sales tax. I am not used to that anymore boo

 

I've already dumped a bunch of time into figuring out the new regulations. For at least one of my clients, it's going to be huge headache and take a lot more of my time to manage their sales tax.

 

Sounds like a well meaning but misguided change that will hurt small business and benefit corporations who are better equipped for the changes required

 

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On the one hand, it makes sense from both the local retailer and government benefit perspective. At first a lot of people were like 'order online, no sales tax' and that really did hurt both because of the loss in revenue. Now people are like 'order online' period - it's just pervasive. That's a looooot of tax revenue being lost. So it makes sense they would want to a) level the playing field for everybody and b) ensure that they're defending their local tax base. I mean, cars have always been this way - sales tax is based on your address, not where you buy it.

On the other hand, some of those same small businesses were already more distances sales than local, so while the local competition angle didn't matter the increased management cost will. Same could be said of the local sales - I doubt sales tax is a high motivator anymore for deciding where to purchase, but even if local businesses see more sales it'll still be offset by the increased hassle of any remote sales they do make. And the localities with the stupid high tax rates... It's pretty shitty for the consumer that they'll have to pay double the sales tax just because they live on one side of the street. Makes me wonder if some of those high tax rates might come down if they recapture as much revenue loss as they claim there is.

One thing I think is kind of interesting and I wonder if there's some story/rationale behind it - if you go wherever and buy something, the tax is paid based on where you buy it. But if you order online, the tax is paid based on where you live? Why shouldn't a distance order sale be based on the location of the business instead of the buyer? If things are going to be based on the buyer, why shouldn't all businesses now have to pay tax based on the customer's home address?

 

They did and they didn't. Some local taxes are collected by the state, and for those places the state did provide databases with the tax rates that even come with a free pass that if the data is wrong the people using it aren't responsible for the error and having to make up the difference. But some places collect their own tax and don't have the state do it, and they aren't part of that database or even if they are, they still require the tax be paid directly to them instead of the state. It's that extra set of payments that is the real issue. Also, the change went into effect on Dec 1, but there is a grace period until like the end of March next year from what I just read.

I'm not an expert, I just read a couple news articles and government pages. @Squeaky Penguin will correct me and educate us if I'm wrong.

 

I learned (from people in the industry anyway) this weekend how the new grocery store liquor laws work, and at least at first, same thing. You're not going to be able to go in and find your favorite local craft beers. And that might not ever happen. It is a really jacked up way they did things, because they didn't make it legal to sell beer, they increased 3.2 to match beer but kept all the separate licensing and regulations for it which most breweries don't have.

 

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It's always been based on where the product has been delivered, not the business address or billing address.

Start reading about nexus and you'll get your answer. It gets complicated and varies state to state, but not all companies have nexus everywhere. Colorado is trying to change that, SD already did and won a supreme court case on it. Guessing a lot of other states will follow soon enough.

My understanding is that business are only responsible for collecting and paying taxes that are handled at the state level. You wouldn't be responsible for collecting a city tax that is handled by that city itself.

 

I was vaguely familiar with nexus, but I guess I forgot about the 'product delivery' part. That makes a little more sense.

And I guess more web searching shows you're right, it's not the paying those places that self-collect (two counties which are also cities, 72 municipalities) since apparently the change only applies to state-collected. I guess the accounting headache is that you have to create 'non-physical locations' in your account and track that you're applying the right rate to every sale (and apparently that's around 650 different tax rates in this state alone). But those self-collect entities could either opt-in to the state or make their own matching rules. Now, how Fort Collins (or some tiny mountain town) would force Amazon to pay them the sales tax not already collected by the state... I haven't paid attention to orders I've done since they started collecting state anyway, so maybe it's only been the state and county portion. In fact, while I know the state has required self-reporting for a while now, I'm not sure if Fort Collins ever has - or how they'd enforce it.

 

is it friday yet