Complete Brake Failure

First off, we all know what a pulsing ABS pedal feels like. It doesn’t go to the floor, etc….Clearly the OP did not have a pulsing brake pedal. This doesn’t mean the ABS failed as perfectly illustrated in Turd Ferguson’s post as he said in snow at slow speeds (what the OP effectively had, wet/snowy tires) “the pedal becomes dead and the truck just coasts” until he lets off the brakes momentarily and re-applies pressure. And it seems many others have experienced this same problem as he also linked this thread https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/abs-on-this-truck-is-dangerous.68167/ .


The OP sounds like a reasonable person but this wouldn’t be the first time a reasonable sounding person has posted in the 3rd gen section, swearing up and down they had a problem only to find out later it was normal operation for the truck.


Toyota is certainly to blame for some of the issues that some people have with their 3rd gen trucks but, when you start making claims that the brake system failed that’s a serious accusation to make. Personally I wouldn’t be stating that on the internet until there was solid proof. Also, personally speaking and based on my 2 and 4 wheel ABS experience, knowing my tires were wet/snowy and going at a slow speed on a concrete surface which can by quite slippery when wet and when the wheel speed sensors are updating at a slower rate I would have assumed the conditions caused the event.


This doesn’t mean the brake system is perfect , as pointed out in that thread but, I don’t think the OP suffered any sort of failure and I think it’s one of the bad things about being able to post claims on the internet without being accountable.


I am glad the OP didn’t suffer any damage in this event.

 

You work for Toyota?

 

Having the brake peddle loose all pressure and fail to stop the truck should never be considered normal and in my opinion is a failure of the brake system. I am not making this claim lightly nor am I saying ever 2016 is a POS. I have stated numerous times in this thread I love my truck. I want my truck back if I can feel safe again driving it. I could have bought a brand new 2015 but I like the 2016 better. I know this is my first thread in this forum and I stand behind it. I was looking for advise to see if A) has this happen to others and B) would you feel safe that this was a one time event.

 

You could experience the same the in a Gen2 according to that other thread so what would be the point of getting a 2015?

 

Before I started this thread I had no idea this was ever an issue on a 2nd Gen Tacoma.

 

the GM is being smart.

If something did happen, and you went with legal action I'm pretty sure Toyota would be firing him for not pulling the truck when it had brake failure.

Hope everything works out.
People are saying go full truck replacement, seems kinda drastic, but I'd be asking for a full brake replacement. Every aspect of the braking system from pads rotors callipers to master cylinder and ABS sensors.

 

No, just packed full of common sense and experience.

 

Yes, if course, neither did I. But now we know it is so your truck seems to have functioned normally. Whether this normal is satisfactory to you and others is a personal decision but, l maintain you suffered no failure.

 

According to the master tech I spoke to at the dealer last night the brakes on the 2016 are completely different. The tech wasn't willing to drive my truck home. To me that says something.

 

With the brake system being completely different you can't not assume that anything deemed as "Normal" on a 2nd Gen truck will be the same on a 3rd Gen. It is apples and oranges.

 

Yes, and if I didn't know the whole story and have background information I would be hesitate as well to drive someone's vehicle where the driver thought he had a complete brake failure.

The brake system may be different but the general function is going to be the same and, the difference in the system may very well be that when you have this non-braking event like the 2nd Gens the pedal goes to the floor.

 

I mentioned a new truck.. Bc, the brake failure as of now is nothing short of a MYSTERY. They haven't easily identified the problem whatever it is. Lets say they never can really nail it down, but decided OK will replace the entire braking system.. Is it possible it's something outside the braking system, like a computer glitch or something? In that case what good would a entirely new braking system do.
Also, lets say. If they couldn't track the problem there, you get a new truck. Sounds to me like a good truck candidate for Big Toyota to take in and dissect, to prevent some potential major problems.

I'm only thinking worst case scenario, the ones where you never think it'll happen, but has happened.
One of my buddies thats a Master Toyota tech, told me just last week they've been having a lot of computer issues with the 16's.

I'm I jumping the gun, who knows. But when it comes to brakes, I'd like to know beyond a reasonable doubt, when I apply them it's gonna stop.

 

So, even though there is a history of this happening with 2nd gen you still consider it a mystery?

 

I know its a little late but you should forward your problem to the same place, or threaten to if you have more issues. Enough people do it and a major investigation will happen. Also, maybe ford shares the same braking components in some vehicles with toyota....brake failure should not be a mystery or normal characteristic, if your told that you should make an official complaint....they add up. Imagine pulling slowly in behind a car to park where a mother and her 8 year old daughter are taking something out of the trunk and this happens to you, would you not be furious?! Show that article to the mechanic, then ask the mechanic to put his kid in that situation and test trial your brakes.


By Tom Krisher, The Associated Press

DETROIT - The U.S. government is investigating complaints that the brakes can fail on Ford's F-150 pickup truck, one of the most popular vehicles in the nation.

Ford's F-Series pickup is the top-selling vehicle in the U.S., and the F-150 accounts for two-thirds of those sales.

The probe covers about 420,000 pickups with 3.5-litre, six-cylinder engines from the 2013 and 2014 model years, according to documents posted Friday on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's website.

The agency says it has 33 complaints about the problem, including some drivers reporting that the pedals can suddenly go to the floor with a complete loss of braking. Four drivers reported that the problem caused crashes, although there were no injuries. The agency reported that 31 of the complaints from F-150 drivers came in the past year, with 20 in the past seven months.

Some of the drivers reported that mechanics told them brake fluid had leaked from the master cylinder to the brake booster, causing the problem.

Ford said it takes customer safety seriously and will co-operate with the investigation. Trucks with other engines could also be covered by the probe. Ford says F-150s with other engines have the same braking system.

One owner from San Marcos, California, told NHTSA that he was backing his pickup out of the driveway in May of 2015 when the pedal went to the floor and he completely lost his brakes. The pickup crossed the street, went over a curb and hit a neighbour's landscape wall, causing severe damage, the driver wrote.

"I am surprised that there has been no action on this issue yet — the complete failure of the most important safety system of a 2.5-ton-plus vehicle," the driver wrote. Drivers who file complaints with NHTSA are not identified in the agency's database.

Drivers are not identified in the agency's complaint database.

NHTSA investigators will check into how often the problem happens and how large it might be to decide whether a recall is necessary.

Ford sold 763,402 F-series pickups in 2013 and another 753,851 in 2014, according to Autodata Corp.

The investigation isn't the first into brake problems with Ford's flagship F-150. Last June, NHTSA began looking into complaints that the power brake assist can fail on about 250,000 pickups from the 2011 and 2012 model years that also have 3.5-litre engines. It's a problem that apparently is not related to the investigation announced Friday.

In October the agency upgraded the probe to an engineering analysis, taking it a step closer to a recall. Investigators found 432 complaints, seven crashes, one injury and 6,476 warranty claims related to the electric brake vacuum pump. The problem happens after starting a cold engine or at low speeds when power brake boost is used.

 

Do you have the answer to why "his truck" brakes failed? Does Toyota as of yet? Does anyone?
Yes I consider it a mystery.

 

Did you read the 2nd gen thread? Like it or not it's a normal characteristic for this truck under those circumstances.

 

The general function being you press the brakes and the truck stops. From what I have been able to research the 2nd Gen had a vacuum assisted brake booster. The 3rd gen has a Hydro-Assist brake booster. That is a major change in the design and function of the brakes. Until Toyota says what happened to me is "normal" every comparison you make to a 2nd Gen is an assumption based on the old braking system...

 

No I didn't read it, and I'm not going to. We are talking about OPs truck, and it's a 16, so there is differences. I can't think of anytime brakes failing to be considered normal, maybe I'm out of the loop on what you are referring to.

Bottom line, I'd hate for OP or anyone to have a brake failure. It's pretty much that simple. I can't think of a solid reason why anyone wouldn't be concerned with it. But hey, maybe I'm drastic bc I like my brakes working.

 

I have also tried to do a little research on the (among other things) the Unintentional Trip Meter resetting issue, and its not unheard of in a few other auto makes. Not common, but not unheard of.
Not to say THAT issue isn't important. In my opinion, (and many others) it is.
My point is, so many "issues that people have raised here on these 3rd Gen Toyotas, are not totally unique to this truck. It just has inherited some.

 

About brake failures?