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Completely Out of Control Factory Integration Thread

Discussion in 'Audio & Video' started by dolbytone, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. Jan 24, 2021 at 10:03 AM
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    So you seem to know a ton about audio so trust your judgement based on what I have read. I contacted a few shops locally to me and sent them this build list to see what they would quote me.

    Kenwood DMX1057XR
    JL C1-690 for the front doors and tweeters.
    JL C1- 650x for the rear doors.
    JL JD400.1
    JL CP108LG-W3v3
    JL JD500.1

    A shop owner messaged me back and said he has a 2017 as well and he would suggest not going with the C1's because they did not sound good in his Tacoma and that he had gone with Audison. He suggested going with this build instead.

    Kenwood DMX1057XR
    APK690 for the front doors and tweeters.
    APX6.5 for the rear doors.
    JL CP108LG-W3v3
    JL XD700.5

    Cost is not really that far off from my budget and only like $300 more than when I priced out the JL build. Do you feel that it is worth the increased cost? Would it sound much better?
     
  2. Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM
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    Oh yeah, JL C1 speakers are no match for those Audison components. Hands down do that. I was going to frown at the C1’s before I even saw you were looking at Primas.

    I think you are a tiny bit under powered, and I have no personal experience with JL XD amplifiers, but this looks like a nice moderate system. I really like the Kenwood eXcelon Reference stuff.
     
  3. Jan 24, 2021 at 2:06 PM
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    Ok cool. I will lock that in then. What would you suggest as an amp for that setup if you feel the 700 might lack the power needed?
     
  4. Jan 24, 2021 at 2:37 PM
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    Adding more power would complicate things because then you are looking for a different subwoofer. As it is I think it will have good balance between your speakers and subwoofer. It also gets a lot more expensive really fast so cost/benefit gets hard to justify.

    This has the potential to be a nice clean moderately loud system.
     
  5. Jan 26, 2021 at 8:57 PM
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    Thanks for the advice. It is all getting installed on Thursday. The only change I made was to upgrade the Amp to the JL VX700/5i. I am hoping the extra $400 will pay off for the hours and hours I spend listening to music in the truck.
     
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  6. Jan 27, 2021 at 4:04 AM
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    Yeah I think so. The built in DSP will provide a lot more tuning power. The stand alone JL DSP costs about $400, so if that’s all it’s costing you extra, you get a nicer amplifier plus the DSP.

    Ive been wanting to find an excuse to install some of those VXi amps.
     
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  7. Jan 29, 2021 at 7:23 AM
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    Welp... looks like I'm talking the wife into getting a 4Runner :boink:. Damn good build :thumbsup:
     
  8. Mar 18, 2021 at 9:49 AM
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    So I forget when it was that I ordered this, months ago, seriously months and months ago... (fuh-evah). But, it has arrived and phase 3 begins soon.

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  9. Mar 18, 2021 at 6:54 PM
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    Great decision going with the VXi700/5. You’ll be happy you did
     
  10. Mar 19, 2021 at 2:34 PM
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    Alright, amp is installed. I’m annoyed by how long that took but I didn’t really have a plan until I figured out under the rear driver’s side seat is the only place it would go. I mostly had the wires all run so that saved a lot of effort.

    I might do a tune up tomorrow and put up some results. I did a dirty level set yesterday when I hooked it up and it turns out I was only 2V lower than where I ended up setting it up today per JL’s recommends. Not bad I guess.

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  11. Mar 19, 2021 at 2:37 PM
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    Do it bump doe? Loved my JL HD & still kinda disappointed in myself for selling it earlier this week but it was only sitting. At least another Tacoma owner will be using it. Great little amps about the size of a sheet of notebook paper with clean power and great efficiency
     
  12. Mar 19, 2021 at 3:29 PM
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    Yeah the bass is pretty strong. It's going to get dialed back a smidge when I do the tune I'm sure.
     
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    I thought I had taken a picture of this installation but I can't find the stupid thing on my FONE so /shrug, maybe another time I'll have the front passenger seat out and I can take a picture then. I was pretty sure I took one while all the wires weren't crammed in there so it would look promising in terms of neatness and I planned to show it here so you all could be like damn that's gonna be NOYCE, and I could feel all kinds of glory and stuff. No glory.

    So, suffice it to say the 4Runner is using not one but TWO DSPs because that Audison BIT kept nagging at my brain with it's stupid input stage de-EQ opacity and I just NEEDED to see what the factory radio's output signal looks like, but also the parametric EQ is maddening to use (just let me type in my damn numbers shit! I hate rolling my finger on the mouse pad to try to get to a specific spot and constantly yo-yo past where I want to be, then give up because it's not going to happen), so I added a damn Audio Control between the stereo and the AP8.9BIT. Thinking behind this is, at some point you have spent so much money already so % wise what's another fucking $600...

    Anyway... getting them both to fit was tricky, the DM-608 has a larger footprint than the Audison 8 channel amp (?? wut ??) it's true, and having them mounted on a piece of plastic, and then getting that piece of plastic under the seat without worrying about any moving seat interference wasn't going to happen. I had to raise it off the floor so it doesn't interfere with the air vent that's there and I puzzled on it for probably two decades, AKA about 3 hours before realizing I only had to raise something directly above the vent, and the other device could sit on the floor, because there's more width available (between the seat struts was at least 2" less) and I ended up making a shelf for the DSP above the vent, and the amp sits basically under the seat rail on the door side. It all worked out great, wish I had that picture...

    So here's the result of poking around for a little bit, I took screens of the Input stage of the DM-608 so you could see what you are sending to your amplifier from the factory radio. It's very sad but good to know.

    Front L/R Factory Stereo output spectrum response.

    4Runner_Entune-3.0_Front-Signal.jpg


    Rear L/R Factory Stereo output spectrum response.

    4Runner_Entune-3.0_Rear-Signal.jpg

    Initial thoughts on the Audio Control DSP primarily concern my utter surprise that the EQ is not independent channels, but L/R channel pairs unless I haven't figured something out yet. I mean for the money you should at least get all of the features of the JL which is $200 less as well as the input analyzer but so far as I can tell, nope. It also has its own GUI quirks that are annoying, but that's mostly about how it displays on your computer screen, forcing you to scroll up and down to see the entire page. The channel mapping isn't very intuitive, mostly because the labeling is confusing on the input/output pairing function. I do like the EQ, but I wish you could toggle between graphic and parametric depending on your preference.

    I don't have an actual tune in yet but for now it's all up and running and sounds fine. I'm looking forward to screwing with the ACCUBASS. I moved the sub amp signal from the Audison to the DM-608, and already there's a noticeable difference in terms of low volume presence.
     
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