Concealment Clarification

I've only run into one dick patrol officer in the number of times that I have been pulled over. He may have just been having a bad day. Every time I've been pulled over I've deserved it. And almost every officer has been extremely professional. I've found if you make their life easier they will generally make your life easier. You may still get a ticket (there is a reason you were pulled over) but that is to remind you not to do that shit again. I have a lot of respect for the men and women that patrol. It's a job that I couldn't do. We run in with them on a daily basis and I've made some really good friends and learned a lot from them.

 

Amen.
Screaming spittle laced Constitutional quotes while gesticulating wildly along the roadside has never ever ever ever worked.

And I've quite frankly never been 'hassled'.
However, if one feels this stop is somehow going wrong, getting hotheaded is not the answer.

Be courteous and respectful, remain calm.
In general there is no requirement to answer any questions.
If you do not wish to answer questions you should state calmly and clearly: "I wish to invoke my right to remain silent."
If you do answer questions, do so truthfully and succinctly.
Do not volunteer information.
If the officer ask permission to search you or your vehicle and you do not wish to be searched, state calmly and clearly;
"I do not consent to this search."
If the officer persists in questioning you then state calmly and clearly;
"Unless I am under arrest I am going to leave now."
Be courteous and respectful, remain calm.

There are numerous primers on this and other situations.
But remaining calm, courteous, and respectful is the key.

 

This. Saves the stress for both of you and in the end, you both want to get home safe at the end of the day.

 

Excellent point.

 

Agree 100%

 

Best advice from the source.

 

Thanks for clarification. I figured as much, and either way I would do what the LEO asks, seeing as he can easily give me a ticket for a multitude of things if I were to show my arse.

Okay, I was under the impression that getting out of your vehicle was to signal legal consent to search vehicle.

Only makes sense.

Okay, I think I may need to clarify here. I didn't mean to imply getting into any sort of altercation with an LEO- that is just a bad idea and like DD said, should be taken care of after the fact as trying to contradict the LEO will most likely not help your case. I just wanted to know where the truth was in what I had been told.

What do you think about having these items ready strictly before the LEO arrives? And if you can't grab them in time, don't? If you know exactly where these items are, I think it would be fairly quick to roll down all windows, turn on the light, and grab your documents or atleast maybe have them out and in reach. Opinion, Tigerfan?

 

First, Kudos to everyone here for keep this thread open and civil. Usually by now the asshatery has occurred and it's been locked.

Second, Just to repeat what almost every one else has said. make yourself well visible, don't move around until the office present and knowing what you are doing.

Third, know the laws. If the state your in requires to notify the office of a firearm, notify them; politely and calmly, use words like CCW (or what ever the state uses), or firearm. I was trained to never use the word gun.

Fourth, think! do you own a gun? Is it in your vehicle? Better say that you might have one and then not, than to say nothing and have one fall out of the glove box.

Fifth, there is a time and a place for everything. When it's you and the officer on the side of the road, it's time to comply. Express your concerns with the actions going on while you are complying in a civil tone. If the LEO's actions are illegal, let the lawyers handle it in court after everyone has walked through a metal detector.

Six, you have no idea what call the officer just came from. It might have been his buddy of 10 years on the force being shot at. Let him do what he needs to do to feel safe.

I was raised in an AZ DPS family. My father worked a stretch of road in the North East section of AZ. His closets backup was usually 2-4 hours away. Hell, the helicopter was 1.5 hours out. All depending on what stretch of the road he was on that night. And if there was something major going on in another district, it could push his backup even farther out. I have attended funerals of officers that hadn't even made it to the car they had just pulled over. Getting pulled over maybe the low point for your day... hell your week... but you have no idea what the officer has just been through. Be polite, consider the job they have and the type of people they normally deal with and be respectful and everyone will get out alive. Leaving the argue to the lawyers.

 

Vermont has zero weapons laws .....concealed carry.....open carry all good no permit required.

Traffic stops always have assumption of weapon in the car. I appreciate knowledge of weapon in reach.....glove box getting registration etc. if you're coming out of the car and carrying definitely notify of gun on your person prior to exiting.

Many times how you present yourself afire and attitude tells a lot.

Also timing of announcement and tone and attitude of how it's said makes difference