1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

Convert Front 4WD Bearings from Press Fit to Bolted Assembly

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by mechengr322, Jul 17, 2022.

  1. Jul 17, 2022 at 1:26 AM
    #1
    mechengr322

    mechengr322 [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2020
    Member:
    #348069
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2002 4WD Tacoma
    Is there a kit or way to convert the front press fit bearings to a bolted bearing assembly? I'm sure fairly sure this would involve replacing the knuckle either way.
     
  2. Jul 17, 2022 at 9:53 AM
    #2
    Bivouac

    Bivouac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2021
    Member:
    #376253
    Messages:
    11,585
    Northern Lehigh Valley Pa
    Vehicle:
    2000 Tacoma 5 speed 3.4
    Remains to be seen I bought the tires and wheels the rest came along
    Not enough demand to design and build a mass market low cost kit.

    I am sure what you want can be done with a little thinking for the cost you could have a life time of front wheel bearings swapped.

    For about $5000.00 in parts if you do the labor yourself you can swap to Dana 44 front spindles giving you what you want. check out Solomotorsports.com
    Fabricated spindles

    easy front bearings adjustment or replacing on the trail
     
    Chungas likes this.
  3. Jul 17, 2022 at 1:18 PM
    #3
    Chungas

    Chungas Help! My Ferret has lost its stank!

    Joined:
    May 6, 2022
    Member:
    #396626
    Messages:
    432
    First Name:
    Waylon
    Bushwood CC
    Vehicle:
    Cocain 2003 3.4 4x4
    If first gen front bearings had dismal failure rates, there would be a kit. There's probably a "kit" out there that address both LBJ's and bearings that's not wallet friendly. Buying a press and new LBJ's is far cheaper than the alternative. IFS long travel and SAS come to mind.:D
     
    Kwikvette likes this.
  4. Jul 17, 2022 at 1:49 PM
    #4
    Kwikvette

    Kwikvette Well-Known Member Vendor

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2019
    Member:
    #284735
    Messages:
    82,343
    Gender:
    Male
    Fresno County
    4 run, 2 don't
    40s n tons
     
    Superdave1.0 and Bivouac like this.
  5. Jul 17, 2022 at 2:17 PM
    #5
    Bivouac

    Bivouac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2021
    Member:
    #376253
    Messages:
    11,585
    Northern Lehigh Valley Pa
    Vehicle:
    2000 Tacoma 5 speed 3.4
    Remains to be seen I bought the tires and wheels the rest came along
    In theory you could modify a second generation steering knuckle. That would take lots of work and experimentation till all the bugs were worked out.

    Another very expensive option.
     
  6. Jul 17, 2022 at 4:41 PM
    #6
    v5ensx

    v5ensx CARB legal is not CALI legal

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Member:
    #138656
    Messages:
    1,810
    Weld the cv? Is this considered a solid axle.... :D
     
    Kwikvette[QUOTED] likes this.
  7. Jul 17, 2022 at 6:28 PM
    #7
    Kwikvette

    Kwikvette Well-Known Member Vendor

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2019
    Member:
    #284735
    Messages:
    82,343
    Gender:
    Male
    Fresno County
    4 run, 2 don't
    eb332168eb0d165a7dd271bd2e7852e7.jpg
     
  8. Jul 17, 2022 at 8:16 PM
    #8
    Bivouac

    Bivouac Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2021
    Member:
    #376253
    Messages:
    11,585
    Northern Lehigh Valley Pa
    Vehicle:
    2000 Tacoma 5 speed 3.4
    Remains to be seen I bought the tires and wheels the rest came along
    Only if you also weld the control arms to eliminate all vertical travel.
     
    Kwikvette likes this.
  9. Jul 19, 2022 at 9:57 PM
    #9
    v5ensx

    v5ensx CARB legal is not CALI legal

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2014
    Member:
    #138656
    Messages:
    1,810
    Heck, why not.
     
    Bivouac[QUOTED] and Kwikvette like this.
  10. Jul 20, 2022 at 8:24 AM
    #10
    leid

    leid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2020
    Member:
    #332423
    Messages:
    450
    Gender:
    Male
    Brandon, MS
    Vehicle:
    1997 V6 Tacoma 4x4 & 2020 V6 Tacoma TRD 4x4
    ECGS & ZUK diffs w lockers/Marlin R150F/NITRO axles/winches
    With but one exception, I have been getting over 10 years of offroad use out of every set of KOYO front wheel bearings (FWBs) in the deep mud/high water here in MS. The only unusual FWB problem arose when the last shop pressed the FWBs in backwards which caused them to fail in less than 3 years. So I am now on my 4th set of KOYO FWBs in 25 years of service with my '97 Taco. No real need for a FWB upgrade for my use. Are FWBs failing faster for you rock crawlers?
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2022
  11. Jul 23, 2022 at 12:40 PM
    #11
    mechengr322

    mechengr322 [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2020
    Member:
    #348069
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2002 4WD Tacoma
    My FWB failed after two years. I had a shop press them in. Either they failed to to put it in the right direction or the bearing was bad. Since replacing the press bearings is a huge pain I was hoping there was a mod to do away with it.
     
    leid likes this.
  12. Jul 23, 2022 at 12:42 PM
    #12
    mechengr322

    mechengr322 [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2020
    Member:
    #348069
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2002 4WD Tacoma
    I noticed the 2nd gen knuckle was similar but would take a lot of work to refit.
     
  13. Jul 23, 2022 at 1:02 PM
    #13
    leid

    leid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2020
    Member:
    #332423
    Messages:
    450
    Gender:
    Male
    Brandon, MS
    Vehicle:
    1997 V6 Tacoma 4x4 & 2020 V6 Tacoma TRD 4x4
    ECGS & ZUK diffs w lockers/Marlin R150F/NITRO axles/winches

    2 years is WAY too soon IMO. There is another possibility for the early failure of your FWBs. Unfortunately, I think there are a lot of shops that are not pressing the FWBs correctly. If the bearing cone is not supported correctly while pressing the hub in, the bearing can be damaged which can definitely shorten its life. I threw in the towel and press my own FWBs now. And the bearing cone is supported correctly when pressed (below). The last shop that pressed my FWBs bearings in backwards was a full-time auto repair shop that has been operating for decades. They should have known how to do it. Lacking that, all they had to do was press the FWBs in the same orientation as they came out. Very sad work on their part.

    The sleeve under the ram is resting directly on the bearing cone which supports it as the hub is pressed in. Pressing the hub in without correctly supporting the bearing cone can damage the cage or even release all the ball bearings:
    Bearing support stack used to press the hub into the bearing.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2022
  14. Aug 20, 2022 at 5:24 PM
    #14
    mechengr322

    mechengr322 [OP] Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2020
    Member:
    #348069
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    Vehicle:
    2002 4WD Tacoma
    I replaced the front wheel bearing myself as suggested in this thread. Leid was right, the bearing had been put in backwards and that is why is failed so soon.
     
    leid likes this.
  15. Aug 21, 2022 at 8:42 AM
    #15
    leid

    leid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2020
    Member:
    #332423
    Messages:
    450
    Gender:
    Male
    Brandon, MS
    Vehicle:
    1997 V6 Tacoma 4x4 & 2020 V6 Tacoma TRD 4x4
    ECGS & ZUK diffs w lockers/Marlin R150F/NITRO axles/winches
    Just for reference, below are the internals of a KOYO DU5496-5 FWB. When the bearing is pressed in backwards and the axle nut/hub nut is torqued to spec, all you are really doing is distorting the metal shield/seal towards the bearing cone underneath. At 203 ft./lbs. of torque on my hub nut, the shield was distorting inward just enough to limit the movement of the bearing cone underneath it. But no actual preload of the bearing was taking place. The only "preload" on the bearing was the residual load from pressing the bearing. And it opened up a little bit every time I hit a pothole until there was significant play due to zero preload on the bearing. I probably had 1/2" or so side-to-side play in both front tires after 2-3 years.

    Outer bearing cone with integral metal shield/seal is on the left. The inner bearing cone on the right has no integral metal shield/seal. But a separate large black seal fits onto the inner bearing cone.
    TACO KOYO DU5496 5 Bearing.jpg

    This is the correct bearing configuration with the metal shield/seal facing toward the hub, outside of the knuckle. You should be looking at this bearing orientation when the hub is pressed into it.
    Correct configuration with metal shield to the outside of knuckle.jpg

    This is the inner side of the bearing with the large black seal. If you are looking at this side of the FWB when you go to press the hub in, the bearing has been pressed into the knuckle BACKWARDS! When everything is fully assembled, it is very hard to see enough detail of the bearing to identify an orientation problem. And everything will appear to have been assembled correctly right up until your front tires start getting play in them. Unfortunately, several of us already have this T shirt. So do it right the first time or just have a pro like zippsub9 do it for you: For Sale: 4x4 Manual Hubs, Spindles, Knuckles and CVs | Tacoma World.
    OEM TOYOTA BRG KOYO DU5496 5.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2022
    Bivouac likes this.

Products Discussed in

To Top