Creationism vs. Evolution

Feel free to send me a pm. I'm a big boy. I can take it.

 

I'm definately with you mm. Anytime you indulge in confrontation and argument typically nothing good comes from it. I have tried to be involved by asking simple foundational questions, and no one wants to dig in and study this. Its much easier to just say what your feeling.

I feel no matter what your views are mm, you must consider this subject interesting. I respect that for sure. If it could be done, you should be named the sergeant-at-arms of this thread to keep it more in a positive direction. How cool would that be, the man with all the girly pics in charge of a religous thread.

p.s. I have a summary and one last final question later if anyone has been following the previous ones. Hope the mods don't lock it before I get it in........

 

Keeping the country in the state of fear is the best thing to keep the government in control.

Read Michael Crichton's Novel; State Of Fear. Good book. And excellent theory.

 

The reason i believe in adaptation is because it is observable. The reason i don't believe in Evolution is because it is not observable and testable. So i chose a reason to not have to test it. which is my belief in God. I believe that the world isn't Billions of years old. I have done my research in the history of the world, and i just feel that in the beginning God created as opposed to in the beginning a speck of dirt exploded.


But really Evolution is as much a religion as any other. None of us have any real proof and it is based on faith. I have placed my faith in the Almighty but i cant make anyone believe and i will not be swayed in my beliefs. But No one can prove one or the other.

and the fact that scientists lie to try and prove evolution makes it less appealing (I am referring to the pigs tooth that was dug up and they constructed a whole neanderthal from it and then his spouse. You gotta be pretty good to tell who someones wife it by its tooth. And also LUCY (i think) the chimp that had the jaw bone filed down to fit in the human skull. Or the femur that was found 20 miles away from the rest of the skeleton (I wanna know how fast the truck was going when it hit that monkey.)

Like everyone has been saying these are my thoughts but it is something to think about.

 

Don't leave me hanging by a thread. Let's hear it!
Oh, and I like your idea. I've actually have strong morals!!!

 

I never doubted your morals. Your concern for this thread showed that.
http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-man-video.htm
This is from one of my previous posts. Did you watch this missile?

btw, I'll get to the last one after some more prep time.

 

I'm trying to watch it but the damned thang won't play. It's probably my computer!!!

 

its a science website, but it is a Google video. Has anyone else been able to watch it or is it something I did in posting it?

 

may shut down this thread....... or make everyone angrier.

Thanks dude, but remember its not about me.
One thing for sure, it is up to the hearts of evolutionists what they do with this info. No person, and no scientists, and no data will ever open their mind until their heart is ready to open first.
I'm not speaking to minds, I'm speaking to hearts.
Words go through the ears into the mind. If those words happen to get down to the heart, then look out.

btw, working on my summary and last question. Have it up later.

 

You might be more interested in the Intelligent Design movement. It doesn't make a judgement about the "who did it" only that the universe shows evidence of intelligent design. Behe is part of that group.

 

too funny man...awesome sense of humor......

when you don't ask "who did it" or how it started then you skipped the beginning of life itself. More to come, get ready..............I know I'll try to be ready.

 

If you haven’t followed this whole thread, here is a summary of my humble input. It has consisted of 3 questions so far, and I will add my 4th and final question on this subject.

I would like to say that this is directed as thought for a true evolutionist. (the many people that voted for evolution). If you voted for both together, then that is a whole new direction and there is not enough time for me to cover that.

If you voted evolution and are not sure what it stands for let me tell you.
It is a faith-based belief system. It starts with the big bang, then life is formed from the first cell, which intern evolves to where we are today. (nothing became something)

FOUNDATION-FOUNDATION-FOUNDATION
Your place of residence is built on a foundation, why not build your life on a foundation also.

The foundation for life is the beginning. Let’s refresh on what I’ve touched on already.

In the beginning there was a mass.
Question #1: WHERE DID THE ‘MASS’ COME FROM?
With that said, lets move forward in time. I’m now looking for the origin of life. The evolution chart starts with a single cell. Whoa, wait a minute, scientists never let you make an assumption……
Question #2: WHERE DID THAT FIRST CELL COME FROM?
Question 1 and 2 are simple, but require some very, very deep thought.
Question #3: WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONAL FOSSIL RECORDS BETWEEN THE PRECAMBRIAN AND CAMBRIAN ERAS???
If you’re not familiar with question 3, then you’ll need to go research it. My posts are long enough the way it is.
Dinosaurs They are so cool.
Secular science states: Dinosaurs evolved 220 million years ago.
Now to the final question in a search for some foundational evidence for evolution.
Question # 4 WHERE DID DINOSAURS COME FROM?
In the fossil records we have a sudden appearance of complex creatures.
In museums all over the world there are bones of dinosaurs.
There must be millions of bones of the transitional animals that led to these dinosaurs.
But where are they?

You know that secular scientists found a 4 inch bump on a whale that resembled a limb that had been ‘lost’ through evolution. You know what that is called? A 4 inch bump on a 70 foot whale is called a pimple.

If anyone wants to talk privately please feel free to send me a pm. Will reply by tomorrow. Thanks for reading..............

 

Not really, you're just skipping over who the prime mover was (God, aliens, something else).

 

I see what your saying. Just seems even with intelligent design there must be a beginning. Not familiar with intelligent design. I should study it before I open my mouth.

Did life within intelligent design begin with a single cell? Not being condescending, just wondering. You probably know where I would go with this.

 

Hey y'all, Creationism is ahead in the poll for the first time.

 

if we knew all the answers, then they wouldnt be questions and we all be billionaires

how come there are no homo sapien bones during the dinosaur era if we carried 2 of every type onto a boat? Dinosaurs are...maybe 60 million years old for the latest. Humans are what, an estimated 200K years old....but there have been similar bones (Neanderthals) dating back over 400K years. Evolution or adaptation maybe? Something wiped out the dinos- lack of food, disease, meteor, who knows. Obviously it would take time to start from scratch again.

as for records between Precambrian and Cambrian...are you kidding? thats over a 3 billion years old. how much as the earth changed in the last 200 million years, let-alone billions.

interesting reading on wiki which is jogging my memory a little from my anthropology class.

 

There are certain things in the bible that are written as good as the people of that time could understand.. like the number 40 - it mainly represented a "big number" and was not always necessarily "40" could have been 200, 100 or whatever, they just said "40". Genesis says that God created earth in 7 days. Was that 7 rotations? Of what? Was there anything to rotate around the sun? So how long was a day? We don't know. (But you also can't put any earthly limit on God)

As far as the dinosaurs, something wiped the world clean back then - I'm curious as to how that happened as well, but also WHY - where would we be, right now, without fossil fuels? All of that was laid out for us to use. Now that's one heck of a coincidence.

We all came from the ground - plants and animals alike - yes, the Bible says that God formed a mound of dirt and breathed life into it... but again - we tend to think of these things too literally. I don't think it was like someone giving a pile of dirt CPR, LOL (but who was there to sy either way?)

I design parts / things for a living and see the world from that perspective. When you witness some of these great designs, it's difficult not to be in awe.

Do we evolve? Well, yes, I think so.... more like adapt. I don't discount that, either - especially when you ee fossils / animals that have done so right before our eyes.

I was never interested in religion until I was 26 years old and have since chosen to become a Christian. I respect the views of all others and I'm not here to disrespect everyone. The main thing here is that everyone's debating somethnig that nobody can prove, and the only thing left is "what you feel". Well, NOBODY can tell you HOW YOU FEEL...and there's no RIGHT or WRONG in how you feel... so the debate rages on, LOL

Regardless of our different views on this subject, this is a pretty cool site and a pretty good group of people.

 

personally i dont believe in full blown evolution, (i.e. fish turing into monkeys) However, ADAPTATION is an undeniable fact. i believe in God, i believe he was the catylist for certain "base species" and he used adaptation/evolution as a tool to get the wide variety we see now. i dont am not purely scientific or purely faith based when it comes to the creation of this planet. but i do believe it is too complex to be random. plus in school we learned about the natural order of the universe, and the natural order is decay. from the moment something comes into being, whether its a galaxy, an infant or a car, it starts to decay and break down.

QUOTE=Charli;229872]Chris Rock in Dogma--let the bananadance commence! Love that movie![/QUOTE]

yeah, that movie was great, it had a lot of really good points in it (although i cant agree with all of them)