Creationism vs. Evolution

i have nothing but respect for religious people, and i actually envy those who are able to maintain their faith. so dont take this the wrong way, but that is a terrible argument

 

Psalms 93:1, 96:10, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalms 104:5 All state that the earth is FIRMLY ESTABLISHED meaning stationary. Galileo was considered a heretic because he challenged the church's belief and stated that Ptolemy was wrong and the earth wasn't the center of the universe. The Catholic Church was so mad that they excommunicated him and threatened his life but he was a devout catholic but knew that the earth was not the center of the solar system.

As to the earth being flat well that was not only demonstrated by jesus being take to the top of the mount by satin and told to look at the four corners of the earth. Unless the earth was flat how would jesus be able to see the corners of a sphere? Also the story was meant to convey that if jesus would worship satin the he would recieve power over the whole earth. Also it was considered a common understanding that the earth was flat. That is why it in Job 9:6 and Psalms 75: 3 the pillars of the earth are shake by god. The Earth is Like a table with giant pillars for legs. This is a common understanding at the time, so the earth would be the tables top and so would be flat.

 

i'm not uncomfortable with the idea of life being a random accident, i just dont believe it is. hell, i was an accident (my mom told me) and i didnt lose any sleep over it. its just that i hate when an uncomfirmed theory is presented as fact and if you refuse to believe it you are labled ignorant or stupid. hell, i have the same problem with the story of genisis, it's unproven too. i have a problem with religions folk who refuse to accept their beliefs have flaws, just like i have a problem with evolutionists that refuse to admit their beliefs have flaws. closed mindedness in general is a huge problem for me.

is evolution a hurdle? yes and no. i dont think we are decended from monkeys, but to be honest that is not a huge hurdle. we only have a 2% difference in DNA. so even though i dont believe it, no, its not a big hurdle. but look at elephants and fish. their dna is nowhere close to simliar the only thing they have in common is that they are carbon based life. so yeah, thats a pretty big hurdle, no matter how much time they have to evolve. and plants and animals all coming from the same ancestral cell.... i dont think so

but to answer your question, monkeys to humans.... no, thats not a huge hurdle (although i still dont believe it)

 

If you are saying that dinosaurs and people existed at the same time then you have just disqualified yourself from this discussion.

 

We have tail bone because of atavism, please read my first post. We have over 360 rudimentary or vestigiol organs and systems in our body and thousand of other genes that don't express themselves. If you've seen the "wolf boy" that is covered in body hair that is an atavistic train because the gene for body hair that is turned off in 99.9% of us was left on in him.

 

you base alot of your arguments on biblical fact. but what if the bible is wrong? yes it is "the word of God" but it wasn't actually written by God. it was written by man, and translated by man and censored and edited by the church over the years. thats my problem with organized religion. whether or not God exists, we are taking instructions from a church, which is a man made institution. if there is one thing i know, man is corruptable. its been seen time and time again. anytime more than one human being assembles, there is a chance for corruption. government and religion are the two largest collection of corrupt individuals on the planet. i dont take anything that was written by man as fact unless it can be confirmed.

 

First off Darwin was going to be a ordained minister until his trip on the beagle changed his life. As for him rejection evolution, well your book needs to do more research because that never happened, even at the pleading of his religiously devout wife who feared for his soul. In fact Darwin was only one of many like Thomas Huxley who were working out the same ideas at the same time without knowing. And yes his bird didn't turn into iguanas because if that what you think evolution is then you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Good man, now if you would, read about the treaty of Nicaea. I was when the christian faith and the government went into business together for the first time. Constantine used the church to control the people and the church got unlimited power. Also ALL of the modern day ideas we have about christianity came from that meeting and all of the faiths were merged into one under the government.

 

i just dont understand why people cant just say "i dont know". its like religions folk and scientists alike are so frustrated by the big questions they just HAVE to have an answer. so they come up with ideas (which is fine) but then they take them (all of which are uncomfirmed, creationism and evolution alike) and hold on to them so tight tehy are unwilling to admit, "hey, we dont know what the hell is going on". i have no problem saying, i dont know how we got here, i dont know what our purpose is, and i will likely never know. i'm all about the pursuit of truth but it gets taken too far. NOT A SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON ON THIS PLANET KNOWS FOR A FACT HOW SHIT GOT STARTED. its as simple as taht. but despite that, everyone has their beliefs, and as far as they are concerned their belief is correct and everyone else is an idiot. the fact is NOBODY KNOWS

 

so you are saying that you believe life didn't start with a single cell in a single location solely and eventually evolving into the human race, but it actually started with several different single cells in different locations that evolved into the exact same thing creature that eventually met up and started reproducing? and if i'm not out in left field saying this, then in evolution there was still the same inbreeding effect you spoke of earlier referring to creation, at each of the locations where each race was started with one single cell?

Thanks for coming through with some scripture. I apoligize ahead of time if I upset you with this post, but you have taken some scripture out of context and applied your own literal meanings to meet the argument you are trying to make.
Since in your statements you believe in God, Jesus and the devil, then you also know He created the universe and is an all knowing, all powerful god and He is well aware that th Earth is not flat. With the contradictory nature of your post, you have just disscredited all that you said, just like evolutionists do all the time.

So then anyone who repeats anything from the Bible is disqualified from this thread? I guess the evolutionists are the authority here and all the creationists are now asked to leave this thread. This makes no sense brother.

You are full of passion and emotion about this topic Ty and I admire that!!!

the title 'wolf boy' intills in all of us that this is linked back to our 'ancestors' through evolution. This is not by accident. If we just called him 'hairy boy' then our mindset wouldn't be as influenced to think that direction.
One major misconception within the theory of evolution is the difference between mutation and evolution. This should open up another can of worms.

 

This is post #1 of this thread^^^

Agent475 ~ you started this thread and only made two posts, you still watching and reading?

 

LOL! Years ago Uncle Samuel used to instruct us on riot control; peeps would instigate something, get others all riled up, then disappear into the background once the batons and gas came out...could that be the case here...I don't know...my guess he is lurking somewhere nearby, chuckling and slapping his knees. He may yet appear in time

 

yep, I don't know that he intended on this thread going where it has gone or not, but either way it sure took off.

Going back and reading the first page is really interesting, it takes you 'back in the day' when things were much more simple.

 

I find it interesting that political threads aren't allowed b/c they can turn to personal attacks but threads like this are fine. There were a few personal attacks on folks beliefs here as well. Just thinking.

A nice article on evolution:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution

"Why can't I have prayer in school, they can have their burqa!"

 

just stop and look around you everything has to be created. The chair you are sitting in created by a furniture shop all the materials in the chair were created. you cannot look areound at anything that wasnt created. Nothing just exists. if you believe in evolution then where did the monkeys that we evolved from come from. did they just exist? if you want to say the big bang theory where two molecules collided in space and created a living cell and all life developed from that cell. where did those two organic molecules come from? All i'm saying is look at evolution how would all the different animals plants trees humans how would all that come from one living cell? the first animal how would it reproduce? I guess it just did huh? Everything has to be created!!

 

I am taking my research and my own belief and putting them out there. There are thousands of accounts of dragons and sea monsters and other types of creatures even today. There are accounts in the Congo of Extremely large lizards that live deep in the jungle. there are also accounts of giant flying bats with over 6 ft wingspands that dig up and eat freshly buried graves. I am not saying that these accounts are dinosaurs, I am just saying that they havent been explained and in my eyes it could be possible.

I understand that, and agree. It could be corrupted and I have even voiced my opinion about that to other people within my church, however the church in which I love and attend uses it and I will follow it while I am there. There are things that I dont understand how they could happen, but I do believe that they did happen. Like the splitting of the red sea and jordan river.

I will take that into consideration. The turning from one animal into a different animal over millions of years is actually what I was taught in public school. I have not had graduate classes on Darwins work. So I may have made an irrational statement. But ultimately you are saying that Dolphins and Dogs came from a common ancestor, not a dog or a dolphin. so they changed animals.

I can follow my faith back and it doesnt come through the Catholic church. Where it wasnt used for power to control people.

 

Yeah, how do you think that went? Okay you go get us a couple of those dinos, When you get back with those head on up north and bring back a couple of Polar bears. See you in a few years if you live through checking to make sure you have a male and a female. Meanwhile, I'll be gathering up racoons and koala bears here in the desert. IDK

 

God knew that but the people that wrote the bible didn't. That is why in 1537 when Magellan said around the world it was a shock to everyone because they thought that if you sailed too far you would sail off the edge of the earth. So if in 1537 with the advances they had over previous generations the why would people one and a half centuries earlier believe different???

Also I don't get offended, in fact I like discussing science and religion as long as it is a constructive discussion and not turning into personal attacks to discredit the other person. I appreciate your willingness to discuss a touchy topic like an adult.