Creationism vs. Evolution

Yet there have been mistakes after mistakes in and around the theory of evolution and you take that side.



..............and don't put science aside, you are educated enough to know how there are many examples on this earth that prove God's hand.


Let's back up a bit and get your well versed knowledge to help me understand where the first single cell came from. I'm don't mean to patronize or disrespect you, I'm just interested in your thought. Thanks.

 

Actually, they don't. Although certainly one can be a 'scientist' and a Christian, that isn't the way to bet.

There have been many studies since Leuba's famous one in 1914 that demonstrate the more knowledge one has of science, the less likely it is that that person will believe in theism. And the greater the scientist, the less likely he is to believe in God.

Although this clear trend is across the board among scientists, biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality).

The statistics are virtually reversed among laymen.
As an example, 100% of those who use "incenuate" for "insinuate" and "endoctrined" [sounds like something to do with glands] for "indoctrinated" believe in God.


You can read more on these demographics at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Even 'tho you meant it as a joke, I'd appreciate it if you'd edit your post where you purposely misquote me and have me saying something that is patently false. Someone else reading that later might not understand

 

I believe we are here by a series of accidents that occurred in the Solar system.

 

My apoligies. I will make it my statement and not a quote.....



'patently false'..........and there you go again.


oh, and I don't read wiki.

 

Perhaps you could give some examples of 'mistakes' in the theory of evolution. Science certainly changes. That is its nature.

A good scientist is not afraid to admit he was wrong. A religionist never does.

As more discoveries are made and techniques improve, scientific thinking changes and mistakes are corrected. It's hard to think of a scientific theory that has been supported more than evolution by the discovery of new facts. When Darwin wrote Origin of the Species, he did not understand the mechanism on a molecular basis. When Watson and Crick unlocked the secret of DNA, the mechanism for how evolution worked was explained.

I can't think of anything in nature that 'shows the hand of god.' One of the purposes of religion has been to explain natural phenomenon. Lightning was Zeus throwing thunderbolts. Over the centuries science has explained more and more that used to be attributed to a god.

Man could not understand how consciousness existed, so he invented the concept of the soul. We now know that consciousness has a biological basis in tiny electrical charges that pass between neurons in the brain.

"There are several theories about the origin of small molecules that could lead to life in an early Earth. One is that they came from meteorites (see Murchison meteorite). Another is that they were created at deep-sea vents. A third is that they were synthesized by lightning in a reducing atmosphere (see Miller–Urey experiment); although it is not clear if Earth had such an atmosphere. There are essentially no experimental data defining what the first self-replicating forms were. RNA is generally assumed to be the earliest self-replicating molecule, as it is capable of both storing genetic information and catalyzing chemical reactions (see RNA world hypothesis). But some other entity with the potential to self-replicate could have preceded RNA, like clay or peptide nucleic acid.

Cells emerged at least 4.0–4.3 billion years ago. The current belief is that these cells were heterotrophs. An important characteristic of cells is the cell membrane, composed of a bilayer of lipids. The early cell membranes were probably more simple and permeable than modern ones, with only a single fatty acid chain per lipid. Lipids are known to spontaneously form bilayered vesicles in water, and could have preceded RNA. But the first cell membranes could also have been produced by catalytic RNA, or even have required structural proteins before they could form."
_ from Wikipedia

 

That's like saying 'I don't want to learn', or 'I already know everything I need to know', or 'Don't bother me with facts, I'd rather have my opinions uncluttered by knowledge.'

 

BTW, belief in God or creationism does not solve the problem of human origin or the origin of the universe; it simply puts a different name to it.

Either the universe [or 'God'] came into existence from nothingness, or it has always been.
Saying God created the universe, does not answer the question 'who created God?' Saying 'God has always been' is not more of an answer than to say 'the universe has always existed.'

 

I believe that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure.

 

No it's not!....are you saying that Wiki is facts?

The Grand Canyon, Niagara Fals.......and the list could go on. We must all read and study this for ourselves.

 

Creation. I believe that God is the almighty and created every living thing that walks this earth. I do believe in evolution to some point but not to the point of us coming from monkeys. If we came from monkeys then there wouldnt be any monkeys left. When a woman gives birth it doesnt come out a monkey and then as it grows become a child, the baby comes out as a human child.

 

It's worse than I thought. Of course you could look up geology on Wikipedia, or go to the library.

Besides, everybody knows the Grand Canyon of the Colorado was created by Paul Bunyan dragging his axe. You DO believe in Paul Bunyan don't you?

 

...And God said, ‘Let very big groups of *creatures live everywhere in the waters. And let birds fly in the sky above the earth.’ v21 So God created large *creatures that live in the sea. And he created all the different *creatures that move everywhere in the seas. He also created all the birds that fly in the sky. God saw that all those things were good. v22 God *blessed them. And he said, ‘Have big families and grow in number. So then you will live everywhere in the seas. And you will fly everywhere in the skies.’ v23 There was evening and there was morning. That was the fifth day.

 

You must be joking . . . evolution does not say humans evolved from monkeys. I don't know where such nonsense comes from. Humans and apes and monkeys had common ancestors.

Evolutionary history is like a tree with millions of branches. Each branch has more branches. For example, there is a branch called 'beetles.' And from the main beetle branch there are more branches, each with its own branches until we have 400,000 beetle branches. If you go back far enough you'll find an ancestor common to man and beetles.

Now, I'm not saying it's John Lennon, but it makes you think.

 

"11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: andGod saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
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16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
...and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

Interesting how God made the grass and the trees and they yielded seed and fruit, and then waited until the next day to make the sun. Magic!

That God guy is great. He can do anything. I just wonder why he created the world in a mixed up, illogical, impossible way, and then today he has everything work logically and consistently. Why does he go by natural laws now, but not during 'creation.' Hell, if it was good enough for creation, it ought to be good enough today.

 

hahaha that is pretty funny!

i was gonna find a picture of that nihilist from the big lebowski and post it but......

i believe in nothing!!!

 

Picture that you're God, and trying to give a creation story to the populace 2,000 years ago. Do you think they'd have been equipped to accept the big bang or dinosaurs?

You tell them something approximately accurate, more or less, regarding the order of events, in a way they can accept.

We've clearly moved past a time when we couldn't handle evolution, and so have most religions - the catholics have officially accepted evolution for a long time, and unofficially for even longer.

There is no excuse for continuing to believe in creationism, whether you're religious or not.

 

that's where I have the biggest issue. Evolution has no beginning foundation. It is all explained very easily all the way back to a single cell. But where did that single cell come from? And that complicated explanation you had earlier just broke down a cell, not an explanation to its origin.